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Illustrations: how to spot concealed carry

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Munodi, Jul 23, 2007.

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  1. Munodi

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    I certainly don't list to one side when I carry, nor do I "short stoke" my arm.
     
  3. helpless

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    I can not say that any of these apply to me, However, I am sure that everyone is different. People carry differently.
     
  4. rkh

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    The guy was a talented illustrator... but the old saying applies here as it does everywhere: "garbage in, garbage out."

    I've yet to hear of a cop establishing probable cause to frisk based solely upon a suspect's "uneven gait" or his mismatched clothing.
     
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    Seems to me that all of those "tells" (except for the Victorian style clothing that the bottom center dudes are wearing) would be solved if they used A DECENT HOLSTER.
     
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    It's obviously from a cop in an anti jurisdiction who arrests people for concealing on an ad hoc basis. Tossed in the pocket at an odd angle, held in a jacket while running away, etc. It's of limited application to properly concealed CCW's in holsters.
     
  7. Prince Yamato

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    You could have all sorts of crap in your pockets that you don't want to jostle around, not just a gun. The article also assumes that modern guns all weigh as much as an old S&W model 10.

    If your sport coat is uneven, put a second gun in the opposite pocket to balance it out :D
     
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    One of the givaways that I've seen, and takes a while to break, is touching the gun. Folks who are new to concealed carry wilkl often touch their gun as if checking that it's still there, or that their clothes are covering it.
     
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    He sounds like a cop that would shoot a guy for having a Big Mack and Frys in his pocket. These antigun pucks are the real danger.:cuss:
     
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    Probably for noticing thugs carrying a gun... y'all see that there's pretty much no holsters whatsoever? Thuggish folk prefer carrying without a holster, so they can ditch the gun easier. They also tend to gravitate towards cheaper guns.
     
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    I saw it on the Law and Order TV show once.. the judge threw the charge out though. Briscoe argued that his years of experience made him an expert in picking out people with guns.. Judge didnt agree there was any PC though.

    :)
     
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    Apparently New York City is in need of a decent holster shop.:p

    Buy a good holster and a good belt.
     
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    Supposedly, this cop, Robert T. Gallagher, made over 1200 arrests for people carrying "illegal guns" in New York City. He would look for "assymetrical gait, mis-matched clothing, and suspicious behaviour." Then, he'd have probable cause for a search(!).

    Another reason to dislike New York. In before the haters.
     
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    Nothing like misinformation.
     
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    Class? What is the lesson of this article?


    GET A GOOD HOLSTER, DON"T BE TWITCHY, AND YOU WON'T BE MADE.
     
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    given the proliferation of other objects carried in the same areas (cell phones, pdas, pagers) I would presume the guideline obsolete.

    too many people carry too much other stuff in the same areas.
     
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    The illustrator's information was supplied by Robert T. Gallagher who was named New York State's Officer of the Year in 1984.

    There's a brief New-York Times story about then Gov. Cuomo making the award in 1984. It says that in 1983 alone Gallagher arrested "125 armed offenders." Considering the reliability of the Times, however, it's equally possible that Gallagher really was an offender with 125 arms.
     
  18. geekWithA.45

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    Wrong forum. Moving to general guns.
     
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    Valid tells.

    As long as the carrier isn't using a holster and is nervous about having a firearm on their person in the first place. The average CCW'er won't exhibit many of these, someone who has carried for a while and/or is comfortable wearing a gun won't exhibit any of them.
     
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    I suppose next week's article will be how to spot someone who is Open carrying?


    Back on topic, as a soon to be new CCW'er I will be aware of these if they are so called, "Common errors"
     
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    If you see a guy wearing a t-shirt that advertises a "tactical pistol class" and he also has a fanny pack, you can bet there's a gun in the fanny pack.
    But those illustrations seem to be focused on catching guys doing "mexican carry" rather than older overweight guys.:neener:
     
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    A good holster and a clear conscience will keep you from making these errors.

    I pocket carry a Kahr PM9 daily with a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster and my gait doesn't change, the pistol never slips out of position, and I don't need to wear any cover garment. I also know that I am one of the "good guys", so I don't need to be furtive in my actions.
     
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    I think you ought to keep in mind that that graphic probably applies to instances where you have people carrying guns without a holster, i.e in situations where they're not legal to have a gun/using the gun illegally and want to get rid of it fast.

    I imagine the police are more concerned about those people, which is why you would have that laundry list of stuff to look for.
     
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    Looks like it showed up in the NYT in 1992. At that point in time, people didn't have cellphones and other electronic devices hanging all over their bodies. I'm betting that will throw of these techniques. Everyone has bulges everywhere from all the stuff they carry now.
     
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    I noticed in re-reading Don B. Kates' Restricting Handguns (1979) that
    most commonly gun carrying charges got thrown out because there was no
    "Probable Cause" for the searches in the first place. Antigunners Norval
    Morris and Gordon Hawkins proposed doing away with the probable cause
    requirement, which cost Morris a plum job in federal law enforcement
    when the congressional hearings brought forth his book proposing trashing
    the IV Amendment in the name of gun control.
     
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