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I'm MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE...

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Drjones, Dec 25, 2002.

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  1. Drjones

    Drjones member

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    I am SICK AND TIRED of sitting around reading these articles about JBT's knocking down the doors of people with "violent histories", of new firearms laws, and all that garbage.

    What can I do to help the RKBA fight???

    I'm not talking just join the NRA or write a letter.

    What can I do above and beyond that???


    An infuriated (But still happy to be here!!!)
    Drjones
     
  2. Peetmoss

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    File a lawsuit LOL. Or win the lotto a big lotto and by yourself some politicians
     
  3. Blackhawk

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    'Bout time you showed up. Some of us were actually worried that you didn't get the invitation, while others were worried that you did! :D


    "JBT"? :confused:
     
  4. Ian

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    JBT: Jack-Booted Thug

    I'd suggest educating other people about freedom and government, especially moderate fence-sitting shooters. The more people who realize that the current situation of terribly wrong, the more people available to help fix it, through voting or other less pleasant means.

    Also, buy up things that look like they'll soon be illegal. Surplus ammo, .50BMG ammo, full-size magazines, semiauto pistols, "assault weapons", and a .50 BMG if you can afford it.

    I'd also suggest starting to practice civil disobediance in response to some laws. IMO, going from 100% law-abiding citizen to "Molon labe!" gun confiscation rebel would be a very, very difficult transition. Getting used to disobeying the law now will ease that change, should it be necessary to make it.
     
  5. Drjones

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    Blackhawk, I'm disappointed! How long were you at TFL and you don't know "JBT"???

    Were you guys really worried I wouldn't show up???

    :cool:

    You love me...you REALLY love me!!! :D
     
  6. pax

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    Some ideas:

    Join the GOA and the JPFO.

    Buy guns and ammo. Buy lots of guns and ammo. This gives gun companies an incentive to keep making guns and ammo. :) Plus, it's more fun than activism, and gives you an incentive to keep doing the dreary bits that have to be done.

    Take a friend shooting. Take lots of your friends shooting. Buy GOA and JPFO memberships for your friends when they first get started shooting.

    Write to your legislators and the editor of your local paper. Yeah, it's not glamorous or terribly difficult, just tedious and ... well, a little embarrassing. Do it anyway. (Awhile back, I made a committment to write one letter a week for freedom. Broke my promise; turned out to be more like one letter a month on average. Lots of room for improvement there, but better than most manage to do. I tell you, this stuff is tedious.)

    Visit your elected representatives at least once a year, in person. If possible, bring all your friends along. Otherwise, do it yourself. If possible, organize a large group of people to visit the Capitol at the same time. If not, go by yourself.

    Pass out flyers when you visit the Capitol.

    Join the Tyranny Response Team, if there is one in your area. If not, organize one yourself.

    Take a look at the Five Minute Handbook for RKBA Activists for more ideas. It's a must read for people who care.

    Then, when you get tired of doing all that -- do freedom.

    pax

    Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for the one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. ...So you wait, and you wait. But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. ... And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self deception has grown too heavy .... You see what you are, what you have done, or, more accurately, what you haven't done (for that was all that was required of most of us: that we do nothing). -- Milton Mayer, writing about Nazi Germany in They Thought They Were Free
     
  7. Blackhawk

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    Drjones,

    Referring to LEOs of any stripe in the U.S. as jack booted thugs is still quite offensive, especially by those barely old enough to vote. :)

    Naw, just that you might have gotten lost on the mean streets of your posh burb....

    That's pathetic, really, really pathetic.... :D
     
  8. Drjones

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    If we don't win it in the courts the next step will be the streets. I don't want that so file suit. Thats what I would be doing pleanty of if I had a few million to spare. IMHO..
     
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    I knew it was too good to be true.
     
  11. Ed Brunner

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    In my semi-humble opinion, the best thing the average shooter can do is try to convert non-shooters.
     
  12. DeputyVaughn

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    drjones, Don't worry about the JBT comments. As a Deputy Sheriff I'm not the least bit offended. Some of those alphabet agency guys qualify completely. I've about decided the best solution to the problem is to cut off ********** and let it drift off to China. The rest of the USA is salvageable. We have to get rid of ********** before it infects too many more states.

    Scott
     
  13. Ian

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    Blackhawk - While it is certainly unjust to generalize American LEOs as jack-booted thugs, refusing to recognize that some individuals truly are such thugs is shortsighted. There are way too many thuggish LEO exploits to not seriously and honestly consider them.
     
  14. Drjones

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    To all, ESP. LEO's:

    I want to make clear that I have nothing but the utmost respect, concern, and gratitude for any and all in the LE field.

    To put your life on the line every single day (all too often for people who truly hate you) is incredibly commendable.

    However, thanks to a lot of news stories and other info I've learned from TFL, I have just a bit more suspicion of LEO's (and govt) in general. I do not think that is a bad thing. Blind faith and trust are a bad thing.

    On a one-to-one, everyday basis, I am nothing but polite, cooperative, and friendly. I have never experienced anything but that in return in my dealings with the law. I have always been, and always will be, respectful of officers.

    Just for clarity's sake...
    Drjones
     
  15. G-Raptor

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    That's my approach; at least part of it anyway.

    What we often forget is that the majority of people who don't own guns don't have a clue about all the restrictions that are already in place. When they hear some pol talking about "reasonable gun controls", it actually does sound reasonable because they think its the only one.

    Once you get someone interested in shooting, even occassionally, they find out what it's really like and the light comes on quick.

    There are a lot of people who don't own guns but still support the RKBA. We have to find them and let them know how that right is being taken away from them.

    Just remember, every gun you buy is one more "they" will have to worry about later.
     
  16. 4v50 Gary

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    Not just convert antis and neutral to pro-Second Amendment, but be politically active and polite when you do. Write, phone, visit. All the time.
     
  17. Al Norris

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    Go back and read Pax's sig. I mean really read it. Till you totally understand the concept forwards and backwards. Then ask yourself, not where do you draw the line but when.
     
  18. Drjones

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    :D

    "I'm strangely comfortable with that..." :D
     
  19. Jim March

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    DRJones,

    Without knowing your state, and in some cases county and city, I can't properly advise you in any detail.

    In general, you need to be on the mailing lists for at least two state-level RKBA organizations and/or state-specific general lists to have even clue #1 about what's going on locally. You can do more on a local level than you can on the Fed.

    Every state has at least one RKBA organization. Some have MANY more. Do you know the orgs for your state? Have you been to their websites, EMailed the admins and found out the local mailing lists they use?

    If you haven't done that, you haven't really started.
     
  20. Drjones

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    Jim: I'm in CA, like you!
     
  21. Jim March

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    OK. Your city and county matters too. One of the BEST things you can do is to pressure 'em for a CCW permit (assuming clean background, age 21+).

    First, you should be on the CA-Firearms mailing list:

    http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/mailing.html (oh ya, I got a pointer to TFL there, gotta change that!)

    Second, hook up with your local NRA Member's Council chapter:

    www.nramemberscouncils.com

    Don't let all the NRA bashing fool with your head - the MC system in this state is well developed and does a lot of good work.

    If you don't want to talk about where you live online, drop me EMail at jmarch@prodigy.net - I am *very* careful with personal info.
     
  22. Russ

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    Get out of the PRK and that vein in your head will go down. No point in letting it explode!
     
  23. Jim Diver

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    I am starting to be disenchanted with the local NRA MCs. Little happens except promoting the local RNC canidates. People refuse to go head to head with the opposition. Nothing happens unless the NRA gives its all mighty blessing... (of course by the time you know something is going down, there is no time to get the priests to talk to the oracle.)

    MCs would be more effective if they left the NRA and took action on thier own.
     
  24. nsf003

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    Ok, what can a 15 year old guy do for freedom and the RKBA?

    nsf
     
  25. Blackhawk

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    Turn 16, then 17, etc., all without screwing up so he'll be equipped and educated better than his peers and able to lead the debates instead of being on the sidelines listening to a bunch of ignorant ninnies making noise plus being able to discern pap and crap from sound reasoning.

    Glad you made it here! Been looking for you.... :D
     
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