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I'm not a brand basher, BUT.......

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Arkansas Paul, Feb 28, 2013.

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  1. Arkansas Paul

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    Like the title says, I usually don't bash brands. I've had some experience with brands like Hi Point and have found them to be quiet large and ugly, but very much serviceable.

    However, this past Sunday evening, I was at my concealed carry class and we get out to the shooting part. Now this gentleman had sat across from me in class and seemed knowledgeable enough, so I was surprised when he pulled a Lorcin .380 from a case and proceeded to load it. Again, I'm not a basher. :)

    Well, we are told to load six rounds and we're going to shoot them as a practice run so those of us who don't shoot often will shake off the rust and get rid of any nervousness. There are six of us on the line, and upon being given the command, we all fire until empty from 7 yds.

    Well, all of us but the Lorcin guy. He fired once, cleared a jam, fired again, cleared another jam, fired the third time, and cleared the sixth round.

    We fired three strings of six that afternoon, and he never one time fired two shots consecutively without a jam. I am not exaggerating. He didn't have a failure to fire at all, but it never reliably fed a single round. I don't know if it was his magazine, lack of lubrication, or just a $50 paperweight for a gun. He then confessed that the gun had not been out of the case for nearly three years. Me and the guy next to me casually spoke of how we hoped the poor guy wasn't going to be trusting his life to that weapon.

    We went back inside and while we were being fingerprinted, the instructor very adamantly stressed reliability when choosing a concealed carry weapon.

    Anyway, just thought I'd share my wonderful experience at my CHL class. It was fun overall. I'll tell you, there were four ladies, and two of them could shoot as well as any man there.

    I was wondering if anyone else saw anything weird or funny regarding different weapons people brought to your CHL class?
     
  2. tarosean

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    I just renewed last weekend.. Not sure what the entire class brought as we were in groups and had to leave our weapons in the car.. However two kimbers, keeled over on my line and a senior (86!!!!) couldn't work the action in her Jframe due to arthritis..

    Women outnumbered men and there were 4 school superintendents taking the class.. Interesting I thought.
     
  3. Arkansas Paul

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    Funny you should mention that. My daughter's school superintendent is the president of our range and helped teach the course. Cause that's how we do it out in the sticks.
     
  4. tarosean

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    I'm in the "sticks" too..
     
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    regarding different weapons people brought to your CHL class?

    In Florida, I guess we're lucky, if you have a DD-214 form that shows you were in the military at some time, you don't have to take any CHL class. Just get finger printed and submit the paperwork.
     
  6. ColtPythonElite

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    I would gladly bash a Lorcin.......with a hammer.:D
     
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    I think our CCW class size had about seven or eight peple in it. My two friends and myself brought some sort of M1911 variant. There was also a young man who was using a Glock 19, an older couple who shared a Beretta .32 and a young woman who had a Beretta Model 21. Everyone did fine with their respective guns of choice except for the young lady with the .22 Beretta. Apparently she know nothing about guns and her boyfriend bought her the .22 because it was small and easily concealed.

    The problem was that the Beretta jammed like every other shot and we had to stop and wait while the instructor went over to help her. I think there was also some confusion on her part with how the gun operated as she had difficulty racking the slide but at the same time wasn't sure how to use the tip-up barrel. Eventually he had her use one of his guns that he had brought along but I'm not sure if she qualified with one of those or not.
     
  8. RUT

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    >>if you have a DD-214 form that shows you were in the military at some time, you don't have to take any CHL class<<

    Even if you were in the Air Force?? :p
     
  9. kBob

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    DD 214 is a concern and some have pointed out that USAF and USN in the past did very little firearms training.

    Actually I am more concerned about the "schools" conducted at gunshows. On the one hand I think the right to keep and bear arms is just that, a right.

    On the other hand we do liscense folks in FLorida.

    For several years my old, now defunct gunclub, taught the old NRA Personal Protection Course for the cost of the materials. This course was twelve hours long and the "legal" section where we covered use of deadly force and laws about carrying and storage took up three hours by itself. This was taught by a member of the Bar and not Joe Gun Nut. Our shooting session ran three hours and took some 40-60 rounds of live ammunition (not Speer Plastic bullets) at ranges of seven and twelve yards. Before the student got to the range part of the three hour block on operation , maintenance, and storage three hour block was spent being sure the student was very familure with their own fiream AND OTHER TYPES thy might later buy. So if someone brought a Beretta 21A (and several did) they also learned about swing out cylinder DA revolvers and basic semi auto skills. The also were shown good examples of bad examples, like that lorincin and RG DA revolvers so they would know what to stear away from. WHen we saw that folks had something that tended to be ammo sensitive, like a Beretta 21A, we brought out spare ammo of different types and brands.

    Our club provided the room , NRA Certified instructors, training aids, and range time and not one instructor, AI, or range officer got so much as a dime for the work.

    Yet folks make a living doing two to three hours of "instruction" at gunshows....

    I feel a person SHOULD look for that type of training rather than a two or three hour single session at a gunshow, but I would hate to see that made law.

    Am I making any sense here?

    -kBob
     
  10. ClickClickD'oh

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    It's not bashing if you are talking about a ring of fire gun. That's just stating facts.
     
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    I live in a state where you fill out the application, they finger print you, and send you your permit in the mail when you give them $10. Freedom is fabulous here. So I've never been to a CC class.

    My exgirlfrind kept a Jennings 22 in her home for self defense.......... If she wasn't my exgirlfriend, I'd have gotten her a different gun by now.
     
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    Wasn't there for it, but my instructor said back in the days when you had to qualify with the gun you were going to carry, he failed the only person he's ever failed in a class. The guy brought a Derringer, and absolutely could not hit paper at 10 feet.

    I'd still rather carry that than a Lorcin, though.
     
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    There is a local guy here that has 1000s of older guns from $6k Safari rifles to Rohm .22 revolvers for $40. He said he sells the Lorcin pocket guns for $120 every day along with some of the other brands of super cheap semis. I have an old revolver in .22 short that is so accurate you cannot hit a 10" plate from 10 yards more than twice per cylinder.
     
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    Maybe I'm not normal. I actually taught my wife how to shoot and operate all our guns BEFORE she went to her CHCL Class. The only down side is she shoots better than I do.
     
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    Someone came to the class I was in many years ago with a SA revolver :) they said no and handed me a S&W 686 :)


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    Not a fan of the zamak wonders, though I own a couple. I still have my Davis Industries D32 and P380. Both have been reliable from the little I've shot them, but they have also both self destructed to a degree.
    The D32 had the safety pop out while shooting and the PTFE finish is horrendous.

    The P380 had the rifling nearly strip out after only 200 rounds.

    I keep them as examples of garbage guns, though I have been tempted a couple times to add them to a pile of iron oxide and aluminum to combine them into a "The Thing"-esque conversation piece.
     
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    Jokes aside, I was in the Air Force from 2004-2008. Unless things are significantly different, that training should not qualify a person to carry, if qualification is required by the state.

    Of course there are certain jobs in the military that get more firearms training than others, and that's true for the AF as well; but the basic firearms training given to each Airman is just about worthless. Its also a one-time-deal. Only reason I received a refresher after two years was because I deployed to Iraq for a job where I needed to carry a rifle. Even that pre-deployment training was subpar. Anyway, back on topic.

    (Full disclosure: I loved the Air Force and recommend it to my younger brothers-in-law who want to join the military. This wasn't about bashing the Air Force; just stating facts.)
     
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    Other than the lady standing right next to me shooting herself in the foot with a Ruger Mk I, no. :uhoh:
     
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  20. Arkansas Paul

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    Wow. That was an interesting class.
     
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    When I requalified 4 years ago, several people showed up with those cheap jamomatics. The police instructors kindly loaned them their sigs for the shooting portion of the class. The funny one was the arrogant fellow with an expensive 1911 jamomatic. Most of my family is taking a chl class March 9th. Should be interesting. Lol
     
  22. gearhead

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    We had a guy bring a 9mm loaded with .380 to the class I was in. The instructor bummed extra 9mm off the rest of us (most of my class had poly nines) so that person could qualify.
     
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    No requirements for a class in GA.
     
  24. Arkansas Paul

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    Wow. With the shortage we're in now, that guy may have been out of luck if that happened now.
    I certainly wouldn't mind sharing ammo, if I had factory ammo, which I VERY rarely do.
     
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    CHL class? Oh, yeah, I guess some of you live somewhere else. Here we just give you a license and send you out to create havoc in public. :uhoh:
     
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