I'm Rethinking Mouseguns.

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What I live by:

1) Any gun is better than no gun

2) carry the most gun you can within a reasonable attire.

3) consider the potential to actually need a gun.

In most places I go, I don't see myself being picked out as a target of robbery or random violence, as I'm a very physically fit 28 year old of 180 pounds and 6 foot tall with shoes on. The way I dress leaves little to the imagination about my build.

I refuse to wear the type of clothing necessary to conceal a full-sized pistol most of the time. Just not comfortable. I also consider where and when I'm going, and evaluate the probablity of ever actually needing a firearm. Run to the local wal-mart? I feel my P3 is more than adequate given the EXTREMELY unlikely odds of needing it in a town where there hasn't been a homicide, armed robbery or forcible rape since it became a town.

Headed to a show downtown and a restaurant afterwards that's gonna put me on East Colfax in the wee hours? At the very least, my S&W CS-45 and a BUG. I'm a white boy in Western dress (Double-H lace-up's, Wranglers and a fitting tee or button up shirt), so I stand out and become more of a target for the unscrupulous types that lurk in those places at those times, even considering my stature.
 
Phy642,

Respectfully I don't think ANYONE would say a mousegun of ANY caliber would be a first choice for cc ANYPLACE.

The reason a person carries a small gun is because that is the only choice that person has at that particular time.

IF you can carry a larger cc weapon, I recommend that's what you do.

As far as the bank robber with the shotgun?

That shotgun trumps ANY pistol you might have had stashed concealed at the time.

When I can comfortably and reasonably carry a larger caliber concealed weapon than my LWS380 I do.

But when I CANNOT carry a hand cannon, the LWS380 makes the trip, and I'm darn glad to have it along.

No offense,

Best Wishes,

Jesse
 
There is no reason whatever for Joe Blow to defend a bank. They won't defend themselves. They just give the BG the money and collect the insurance and let the FBI catch him.
On a different note, I salute anyone who wears a handgun in a belt holster all day every day. I tried it with my PF9 in a good leather fitted holster and soon found it to be a royal PITA. I'd rather just drop my P3AT/DeSantis Nemisis in my pocket and fuggedabotit.
 
My wife knows that I will never react in a scenario where a person or persons comes in with the intentions of robbing at gun point. Whether it be at a store or restaurant or getting my vehicle hi-jacked. At this point it is a robbery. Should you re-act in trying to stop the robbery innocent by-standers may get hurt by you if the bullet hits the robber and goes through the body or by the robber shooting back in self defense. The only way that I will react is if I feel my life or someone else's life is in danger and they come in shooting up the place immediately. I can always replace my wallet, or my vehicle, but not a human life.
 
Amen to that...but how do you know the thug's intentions? perhaps after relieving you of your wallet and your wife of her grandmother's jewelry,he'll shoot you both in the face so that he won't be ID'd by you two,from a police line-up?
 
Having a license to carry does not make us cops...even if you were inside facing the shotgun, the best choice would be to follow directions unless you were in imminent danger.
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If I'm facing a shotgun, I think that I may consider that to be imminent danger.:evil:

Make no mistake, I am NOT looking to defend any bank or business and would only consider drawing a weapon if my life depended on it. Like I said, I am not looking for face time on the evening news by trying to be a hero. And, I do understand that a shotgun trumps a handgun every time.

What got me to thinking about this is what some have said in this thread concerning the likelihood of being in a situation like this. Many people believe that because of where they live or the time of day it is or where they are in their city that they will likely never be put in a situation to defend themselves. I say that that is bunk. The minute you walk out of your house everything changes because you don't know what the other guy is going to do. Granted, the odds are still slim that something will happen, but why assume that something will not happen. This incident took place in the afternoon in a well traveled GOOD neighborhood.

I can carry a snubbie .38 all of the time, so, that's what I will do from now on. I will not leave the house again thinking "Well, today I think I will travel lighter because I don't smell trouble in the air." Trouble can be around every corner.
 
Dude,
You gotta have at least two guns, I won't leave my house without three.
Today I carried an STI EDGE .45acp- 15 round mag, a Kel-Tec P3AT .380acp and a .357 Mag Derringer.
 
A mouse gun is enough if you shoot them in the head while they are not looking ...
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I'm not quite sure how to respond to that.

Dude,
You gotta have at least two guns, I won't leave my house without three.
Today I carried an STI EDGE .45acp- 15 round mag, a Kel-Tec P3AT .380acp and a .357 Mag Derringer.
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I have a friend like this. He carries a Para double-stack with two reloads and an HK squeezer with two reloads all on his belt. He then has four or five knives and a half a dozen flashlights on him. I'm surprised he can keep his pants up.
 
i recently picked up a glock 26 for this very reason. i put the +3 extensions on the mags. i carried a keltec pf9 for a good while but just didn't like the capacity and long trigger pull despite it being the most comfortable gun i have ever carried. the glock is alot bulkier but i don't feel undergunned. i keep the pf9 in the car for times when the glock would be harder to conceal.
 
The key to carrying a mouse gun or snubbie is practice. I always practice at 25 yds and 50 yds with my 38 snub nose. I am confident that if I can hit a paper plate at those distances with my snubbie I can hit whomever I happen to aim at should the time ever come. I feel that at those distances most people will not practice enough and miss and if it is a gunshot I have a greater chance of surviving unless its buckshot or a slug. Just my own way of thinking and philosphy. This is what works for me in my mind. Because I also know that at a closer distances they will get hit by me. I practice with my 1911 the same way but I up the distance to 75yds and 100yds.
 
I loved the one response about "aim for the CNS" during a gunfight. Clearly that person had never been in a gun fight. The first time i traded fire in the Marines it was not like any thing i thought it would be.
 
You gotta have at least two guns, I won't leave my house without three.
Today I carried an STI EDGE .45acp- 15 round mag, a Kel-Tec P3AT .380acp and a .357 Mag Derringer.
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Your perogative, not mine. And that's fine. If you wanna carry around 15 pounds of gear, more power to ya. I think I speak for a majority here (and in the entire CCW community) when I say that one is adequate.

And something else to think about. It's gonna depend a bit on your locale, but if you are involved in a defensive shooting, even a good one, carrying so much firepower is gonna increase scrutiny. It's the whole "he was so heavily armed, he had to have been looking for trouble and found it" argument. That's not gonna reflect favorably with a grand jury when they decide whether or not to indict. Most sheeple don't even understand carrying A gun, let alone multiple weapons. The general attitude from non-gunnies is gonna be that you're a little off. And since you're counting on human judgement to keep you in the clear, you might want to think about how they may judge.

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6? Yes. But I'd prefer neither.
 
It's a trade off, like at least one person has already said, we're not the cops (unless you are, then you have department SOP's to follow) As a CCW holder, you have to make the choice. I carry a P32 because it's easy for me to carry, and small enough that most times my wife doesn't notice (and hence bitch) when I'm packing. I live in a safe place and if I though I was going to a war, I'd pack like it, but then I'd get funny looks walking around strapped to the nines like a swat officer.

As for stopping a back robbery, most are over in less than a minute, and unless it's an active shooter, or hostage situation, some danger to me, sucks buy that is why they carry insurance. I'll stay safe and be a good witness.
 
IMO it really wouldn't have mattered what you were carrying since you have no obligation to stop a bank robbery as long as no one was in danger of being killed. I wholly agree with the others, no matter what handgun you were carrying you would have been under-gunned against a shotgun.
 
I wholly agree with the others, no matter what handgun you were carrying you would have been under-gunned against a shotgun.
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I don't agree with that at all. A shotgun is not a magical talisman, and if the person weilding it does not know how to use it (or load it with appropriate ammunition), it's no more or less a threat than a pistol. Except for slugs, shotguns are relatively ineffective at defeating barriers, so your cover is just as good as it would be if the BG had a handgun.

Outgunned while carrying a handgun to me means that your opponent has a rifle and is firing at you from a greater distance than what you can effectively engage him. That's a lot farther than the confines of a bank, convenience store, etc.
 
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