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I'm selling off my Glocks....for CZ's

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by SureThing, Jul 28, 2008.

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  1. SureThing

    SureThing Member

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    Well, after much thought I have decided to sell off my G34 and 19. I just don't have the money to keep more than a few hand guns.

    I do like Glocks, but I have got the itch for something more traditonal, something more....we pretty.

    As of now I have a used P01 on the way for $400 shipped, and just won an auction for a NIB Stainless 75, which I got for $525 shipped.

    My dad wants the Beretta I had just got, that had problems...he's a Beretta guy.

    So once the G34 sell, the CZ 75 SA will be my next one.

    My only beef with CZ is their frames and slides are cast.....I'm a forged man myself.
     
  2. strat81

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    How many threads do you see featuring broken and busted CZs?

    It's not an issue, do not worry about it.
     
  3. Zan

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    I've owned both. I like both for different reasons, however I don't own a glock anymore. I have that P-01 and a 75B.. Looking to get a RAMI.
     
  4. schmeky

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    I love my CZ's and prefer them now, as my primary platform. I still have a G17 and G34. I like the G17 best. Since I'm a "variety" guy, I'll keep the "G's" as well as some others for now.

    But, I do understand your decision. My CZ collection has gone from 1 about 2 years ago to 4 with a number 5 in the works. CZ-75, SP-01, 40B, 97B, and second 97B.

    As far as the frames being cast are concerned, it's a non-issue. The Ruger Blackhawks are cast and they are some of the strongest in the industry. My .45 Colt BH has sustained close to 1,000 very hot (but reloading manual approved) loads and can still shoot 1.25" at 25 yards.

    I have read the steel in the Czech Republic is similiar to some of the 5100 series steel used in the Norinco 1911's, which means some really good stuff.

    Let us know if you ever have any CZ frame problems:neener:
     
  5. SureThing

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    I'm stoked, and cannot wait. I don't get to shoot often, and so I want to go look at my guns and think, who that is pretty.

    Plus I want them to shoot well. Plans are the Stainless is the range/safe queen. The SA will be my IDPA rig, and the P01 my carry rig.
     
  6. FEG

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    My father, a wise man, once said something profound. "A cast frame means that they can afford to recycle their mistakes, rather than shipping them out anyway."

    In contrast, I have owned two Colts with forged frames that couldn't be made to cycle when NIB. One was mismachined so badly that I was able to get it exchanged under warranty. The other was "fixed" by Colt, but it was never a decent pistol. I have long since parted with those dogs. I have an older Colt I inherited, but never again.

    I have never heard of a frame failure in any CZ except a handful of 85 models. The extra cuts for the ambidextrous controls has caused a few to fail in the last 22 years. The lowest round count for this was well over 50,000 hot handloads (+P or higher in pressure) through the pistol in question.
     
  7. bob40caliber

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    CZ's are fine pistols and right now, an excellent value.

    Enjoy
     
  8. NG VI

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    Good call, I am planning on a pair of 40B's for my next purchase, seeing as both my and my brother's birthdays are coming right up!
     
  9. CountGlockula

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    I'll take your Glocks, how much are you planning to sell them for?
     
  10. Dobe

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    CZ slides are forged; their frames are not. There is nothing wrong with this, unless you prefer something different for what ever reasons those may be. I have my reasons also, so I have chosen an AR-24 (forged slide and frame). The AR-24 offers a little more in the CZ type platform. I went to buy another this weekend, but they didn't have the adjustable sight model.

    The below is not a bad price.
    http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/45495
     
  11. FEG

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    Thanks for catching that, Dobe. I missed it.

    A lot of people then go on to say "Brand X must think forging is better, because they don't cast their slides!" You couldn't cast a CZ slide if you wanted to do so. The amount of reworking it would take in the firing pin block area alone makes forging and milling necessary.
     
  12. Dobe

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    I am the one who generally would say that, and slides can be cast. The problem is not in the reworking. If you can cut a forging, you can skip the forging process, and go directly to cutting and shapping the cast. Forgings and cast may be equal under the right circumstances. I'm just not sure everyone can make those circumstances right.

    CZ cast for the same reason everyone who cast does....to save money.
     
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    Beating CountGlockula to the punch with an offer, I'll be happy to give you $50 each for your worthless Glocks...

    :)

    Forrest
     
  14. SureThing

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    LOL, they are in the FS handgun section already, but a bit more than $50.
     
  15. Dobe

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    I'm sure you'll get what you want.
     
  16. SureThing

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    How did I do on the P01 and Stainless 75?
     
  17. Dobe

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    Looks good to me. I see in your list, that you wish to get a CZ SA. You'll enjoy that one too. I have this one, and have enjoyed it. I have loaned it to my son-in-law. He bought an XD as his first center fire, and prefers the CZ. Of course, he prefers the AR-24 to the CZ, but I'm not that good of a father-in-law, if you know what I mean.
     
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    I'll take your word for it (not my area), but how would you cast the void for the firing pin block and lever in one process? Is investment casting similar to injection molding?
     
  19. Dobe

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    Don't claim expert status here either, but there are many levels of a cast product. Companies cast, in order to save money. With that in mind, consider a basic cast where all items are cast including, but not limited to the ejection port, the barrel port, locking lugs, etc. This alone saves money. Any where you do not need to cut or machine a product saves money. So what is left? You would need to finish the remainder by drilling the firing pin hole and make the remaining cuts. Any place a tool and labor doesn't get involved saves money.
     
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    BTW, the P01 frame, your first CZ...is forged alloy. :) The PCR frame is cast.
    Good choices -CZs are a great deal.

    [​IMG]
     
  21. Dobe

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    I had heard that the P01's frame was forged. That is one of the more recent line-ups isn't it? That frame is aluminum alloy? It's a nice looking handgun.
     
  22. Irfan

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    I've just put my CZ-85B in my shoulder holster. :) I'm gonna get rid off my Glock 19. The Glock is great. The CZ is great. Both are great! I just want a small change. :eek:
     
  23. burningsquirrels

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    forged or cast - forged isn't always better. i could've bought a heavier forged crank in my 450+ hp chevy small block, but the cast scat 9000 cranks take up to 500 and weigh less for less reciprocating mass. with guns, forged probably just adds to the price in the case of guns.
     
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    I switched from Glock to CZ if for no other reason than to give the Czech Republic a reason to thumb their noses at the Austrians across the border.

    jm
     
  25. Dobe

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    Yep, it does add to the price, but to me it's worth it. Generally, but not always, with one comes others. If a manufacturer goes through the expense of forging steel frames, they generally get rid of the tool marks too. It's a matter of what you want.

    Back to the price. There was a time, when CZ was the low price deal. That is not the case any more. Now you can get that AR-24 for about the same price as the CZ.
     
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