Guillermo
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Lamazza was so much more succinct than I.
Nice shot Lamazza…in the 10 ring
Nice shot Lamazza…in the 10 ring
I'm so angry I can't think.
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TimboKhan
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Done with a modicum of courtesy, this really isn't that bad of an idea. The problem with this idea is simply that it will come off as being horrifically insensitive to the VT victims, which will not play well in the media at all. That the protestors are trying to trade off of those dead kids, which is equally insensitive in my opinion, will get overlooked because they appear to be showing support to the families as opposed to us evil gun owners.
As far as dropping her as a friend... hmm. I know I won't date or potentially marry someone who is anti-2A. I know that all of my friends are, to one degree or another, pro-gun or at least are not anti-gun. I know that some of them, specifically my best friend of the last 20 years, are also Democrats, and by voting the way that they do, they put my 2A rights in jeopardy. It hasn't affected friendships to date, and I don't think it will. If, on the other hand, one of them started actively protesting guns, I would probably shy away from that person. Not everyone has to agree with me, and you have a right to protest, but at a certain point, I would have to ask myself if I want to associate with someone who hates something so important to me. On the surface this might seem a bit petty, but replace guns with "abortion" or "Black people" or "Homosexuals", and all of a sudden it seems less petty. Few (I would hope none) of us would have a friend that was a white supremacist, right? If your feelings were particularly strong on abortion, it would be hard for someone whose views were counter to yours to be a friend, right? If your gay, your probably going to actively avoid associating with homophobes, right? My friends and I disagree with a lot of stuff, and I am sure that is the same with everyone and their pals, but we don't cross certain lines in the sand, which is what makes the friendships work. One of my lines happens to be guns, and I honestly don't think I could be friends with someone who desires to take away something that both in reality and in principle is so important to me. The simple fact is that being a gunny is part of what defines who I am. Take away my guns, you take away a big part of me.
SpeedAKL
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If she cannot at least agree to disagree with you in a civil manner or hear you out, you're certainly justified in questioning the depth of your friendship with her....particularly since she dissed you like that in a public forum.
I think you have her on the fence, that is why she is defaulting to 'defensive mode'
Write her off as a friend if you like, but push her. I'd rather have an enemy who votes pro RKBA than a friend who votes gun control.
challenge her beliefs more, forcefully but not rudely. At least you don't have to worry about stepping on toes now.
Ask her if she has ever fired a gun, challenge her that if this is her cause, she deserves to gather as much knowledge and facts on the issue as possible.
hit her with the Socrates line of "Do we have this discussion, this argument, to see who wins, or do we set our egos aside and strive to find truth?"
Write her off as a friend if you like, but push her. I'd rather have an enemy who votes pro RKBA than a friend who votes gun control.
challenge her beliefs more, forcefully but not rudely. At least you don't have to worry about stepping on toes now.
Ask her if she has ever fired a gun, challenge her that if this is her cause, she deserves to gather as much knowledge and facts on the issue as possible.
hit her with the Socrates line of "Do we have this discussion, this argument, to see who wins, or do we set our egos aside and strive to find truth?"
Pilgrim
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As time goes by, you will recognize there is a difference between 'friends' and 'acquaintances'.
Pilgrim
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Trying to reason with these women who run PEG 
Why do people focus on exceptions and IGNORE the rule, just because the rule is politically incorrect? Cowardice? Yep. The RULE is that this war to save our guns is a war mostly between men and women. It's not pleasant to say, and the politically correct crowd will cringe but it's true. I don't want to hear about the EXCEPTIONS to the rule, the handful of women shooters, or the puny second amendment sisters (who do a LOT of good by the way because they're so vocal and our society only listens to women now). The original post reminded us that "protest easy guns" is run and operated almost exclusively by women. The original poster is even FRIENDS with her and she won't listen one bit.
I think the only way to beat these women at "protest easy guns" is to show up and have a counter demonstration and be LOUDER than them (it's all they listen to).
Why do people focus on exceptions and IGNORE the rule, just because the rule is politically incorrect? Cowardice? Yep. The RULE is that this war to save our guns is a war mostly between men and women. It's not pleasant to say, and the politically correct crowd will cringe but it's true. I don't want to hear about the EXCEPTIONS to the rule, the handful of women shooters, or the puny second amendment sisters (who do a LOT of good by the way because they're so vocal and our society only listens to women now). The original post reminded us that "protest easy guns" is run and operated almost exclusively by women. The original poster is even FRIENDS with her and she won't listen one bit.
I think the only way to beat these women at "protest easy guns" is to show up and have a counter demonstration and be LOUDER than them (it's all they listen to).
That said it all and encapsulated the problem.
Bubbles
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Quote from bogie:
Obviously you're an experienced protester. I really like the last one, and in fact it could be shortened to "Killed by VT Policy". Print it in big letters, and get it on the news.
Just a thought on the OP's friend. Many anti orgs have infiltrated "grief counselor" groups. These folks are well known for contacting the families and friends of shooting victims, and subverting the people to the gun-grabbing cause while they're still in the early stages of grief, and looking to lash out at something to make the pain go away. Personally, I find the practice disgusting and reprehensible, and would never be a party to it. If the OP's friend is being influenced by such people, there's probably not a lot he can do to reason with her until she's past her grief.
Obviously you're an experienced protester. I really like the last one, and in fact it could be shortened to "Killed by VT Policy". Print it in big letters, and get it on the news.
Just a thought on the OP's friend. Many anti orgs have infiltrated "grief counselor" groups. These folks are well known for contacting the families and friends of shooting victims, and subverting the people to the gun-grabbing cause while they're still in the early stages of grief, and looking to lash out at something to make the pain go away. Personally, I find the practice disgusting and reprehensible, and would never be a party to it. If the OP's friend is being influenced by such people, there's probably not a lot he can do to reason with her until she's past her grief.
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Taking just a moment to remark on the "friend" aspect of this . . .
Some several years ago, my daughter was going through a "friend crisis" and asked me how you know who's a real friend.
"A friend is someone who cares how your life turns out."
I've just never found a better answer.
So, does this "friend" care?
I understand that you care.
But it looks pretty one-sided.
You care about her well-being, her protection, her rights, and her liberties.
And she cares about . . . ?
Just a different perspective is all.
Taking just a moment to remark on the "friend" aspect of this . . .
Some several years ago, my daughter was going through a "friend crisis" and asked me how you know who's a real friend.
"A friend is someone who cares how your life turns out."
I've just never found a better answer.
So, does this "friend" care?
I understand that you care.
But it looks pretty one-sided.
You care about her well-being, her protection, her rights, and her liberties.
And she cares about . . . ?
Just a different perspective is all.
The Unknown User
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Arfin, that's such an amazing quote.
cassandrasdaddy
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if a girl can make you thaty mad get married make it official
XLMiguel
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Bluntly, she's a coward who doesn't want to take responsibility for her own life, wants somebody else to make life safe for her
As noted, life is tough, it ain't fair, and there are no guarantees. There is evil in the world. Why on earth does she think that more laws will change anything, when everything the BGs did was already illegal? There's an old saying to the efect that, " When values are sufficient, laws are unnecessary. When values are insufficient, laws are irrelevant."
Ask her if she's against guns, why is it that the first person she's going to call when trouble comes around is someone [cop] with a gun to save her sorry@$$. She won't fight for her own life, but she expects some underpaid civil servant to do it for her. I'm not saying she should get a gun, but I am saying she has a very fundamental decision to make - are you going to fight or are you going to be food?
Arfin said it well - 'a friend is omeone who care how your life turns out.' Sometimes that means telling you things you don't want to hear, but really, really need to hear:banghead:
As noted, life is tough, it ain't fair, and there are no guarantees. There is evil in the world. Why on earth does she think that more laws will change anything, when everything the BGs did was already illegal? There's an old saying to the efect that, " When values are sufficient, laws are unnecessary. When values are insufficient, laws are irrelevant."
Ask her if she's against guns, why is it that the first person she's going to call when trouble comes around is someone [cop] with a gun to save her sorry@$$. She won't fight for her own life, but she expects some underpaid civil servant to do it for her. I'm not saying she should get a gun, but I am saying she has a very fundamental decision to make - are you going to fight or are you going to be food?
Arfin said it well - 'a friend is omeone who care how your life turns out.' Sometimes that means telling you things you don't want to hear, but really, really need to hear:banghead:
The primary benefit of the tactic I outlined is that it either forces the media to show OUR side of the argument, or at least stops them from being able to use the other side all by its lonesome in that one instance.
...and it does so far more effectively than holding our OWN rallies, which would merely go unreported.
(not that the media would be BIASED, or anything....)
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