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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by 7thCavScout, Feb 25, 2011.

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  1. Tim the student

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    Yeah, that makes sense, but it isn't that way in Iowa. Here, you still need a permit to openly carry. Same permit, but no OC without it. So, you would still have your name in the paper here.
     
  2. JellyJar

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    You need to petition your state legislature to make such info private.
     
  3. X-Rap

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    I would do as Justin outlined in #47 and would add starting a Facebook page that allows viewers to voice their displeasure with the news paper/papers that have done this.
    Link to editorial page
    Link to subscription page
    It will happen again so having the ground work done and maybe affiliating with the states pro gun orgs will get it out in front of a lot of people quickly when it happens.
    Subscription cancelations carry powerful weight with the faultering newspaper business as well so I'd push that as well.
     
  4. JellyJar

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    I had to do some research to be sure about this.

    Back before I moved back to Alabama in 2007 to take care of my widowed mother I worked for a large IT firm in Houston Texas. They weren't paying the going rate so I was considering looking for another job locally. I heard about one firm that was hiring but they said that they did a check to see if the applicant had a Texas CHL and if so they would not hire that person.

    Well, download this pdf from the below link...


    http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/LegisChangesCHLStatute07.pdf

    You will see that in 2007 the Texas legislature passed a law to make CHL info confidential except to law enforcement agencies.

    The OP should get with some of his fellow CCWers and try to get the legislature of their state to do the same.

    Take care

    JJ
     
  5. ConstitutionCowboy

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    Simple fix. Take the court out of the CCW permit process. (NOTE: The Second Amendment considered not with standing for the sake of discussion.) In Oklahoma, the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation (OSBI) runs the background check, no court involved, ergo, no "public record" of a court proceeding.

    Woody
     
  6. Deanimator

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    The Cleveland Plain Dealer used to do that.

    Boy was the editor surprised when HIS personal information immediately showed up on pro-CCW websites.

    In these kinds of situations, if no law has been broken, an eye for an eye works, and usually VERY well.
     
  7. alsaqr

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    This is the best way to go. In your letter you might also ask why the paper never prints the names and addresses of convicted child molesters.
     
  8. hso

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    I'd be pulling the "public records" of the reporter, editor and owner and "publishing" them in every source available. I'd be visiting every advertiser and demanding they pull their ads from the paper and if they didn't I'd be publishing their public information.

    Because information is a public record doesn't mean that it is appropriate to use it in detail to put that information out in the paper.

    Work to have your state make such public records anonymous.
     
  9. 7thCavScout

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    I did ask the paper why don't they publish the names of everyone in the county who is on welfare. The only reply I got from them was that would be "silly".
     
  10. harrygunner

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    Happened in California, in a virtually "shall issue" county. A liberal college city newspaper published permit holders' names.

    In every case, the writer deserves a big, heaping taste of what they are dishing out.
     
  11. DC3-CVN-72

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    Mine says LUV GUN !
     
  12. bugmania

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    While it is within the 1st Amendment rights of the paper to print this information, just because you can, doesn't mean you should. This is obviously a ploy by the editor or owner of the newspaper to air his uninformed beliefs on gun ownership rights. I can't really see how this would help to sell newspapers. Most people couldn't care less who is carrying and who isn't.

    It seems to me that this is more a problem with the state laws regarding concealed carry. If it is incumbent on the licensee to make sure that his firearm is concealed then shouldn't the state government make sure that the information of those licensees is concealed as well?
     
  13. SharpsDressedMan

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    In a state like New York, or NYC, it might point out how the poor, or people without "connections" can't get a CCW, but famous, politically connected, or friends of the the Mayor CAN.
     
  14. Bubba613

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    On what grounds?
     
  15. danprkr

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    +1 Omaha-BeenGlockin's comments
     
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    Public record in every county's tax records and database - so what?

    I can go into my county records on line, put in an address or even a GPS location and retrieve everything about that property - owner, price paid, taxes, etc. - called public records. many places seem to feel that CCW's fall into the same category (I don't agree), but you can do the same thing for $5 with a car license plate number
     
  17. Larry E

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    Thankfully Montana has very strong privacy laws, so some nosy "journalist" would be hard up against it if they got ahold of concealed carry permit holders names and published them. Nobody's business who has a CCW except the holder and the issuing agency, and maybe not even them.
     
  18. Balrog

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    It makes it harder to tell if the state is playing fairly with the issuing of permits if the list of permit holders is made unavailable for public scrutiny.
     
  19. TennJed

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    While it is public record it seems very unnecessary for the paper to publish it....

    Cancel subscription and also make a list of all advertisers in the paper....you want to hurt the paper? Hit them in the wallet

    Call or write all advertisers, tell them you will not frequent their establishment or use their services as long as they are supporting the paper.....urge everyone you know to do the same and ask them to urge everyone they know.

    If a business gets enough calls or letters they will stop supporting the paper....with no advertising $$$ the paper folds
     
  20. bushmaster1313

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    I think Florida used to have its data public but when it was abused they stopped
     
  21. mgmorden

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    Unfortunately that's not the case. I work in government and have prepared God only knows how many FOIA requests. Once they get it they're pretty much legal to do with it what they will - they can republish or even resell the information if they want.

    The reality is that most people simply aren't aware of just how much information you can put out there legally, or request. Want to know the home address of anyone in our county on such a list? Do a name search on the website and you'll see not only their address but also every piece of property they own (as well as an indicator showing which one they actually live at if they own multiple), past ownership records, whether or not they pay their taxes. Heck there's even photos of the houses (both aerial and street view). Don't even need to ID yourself to get that information. If you actually come in and file the paperwork you can get a LOT more. Last one I prepared was actually this Friday - give me a list of the site address, model, owner name, and owner mailing address of every mobile home in the area.

    We even had one case where a battered wife was trying to keep her address secret from her ex and we had a devil of a time just getting the legal authority to redact her name from our online info.

    Like it or not, we live in a digital age and privacy outside of the walls of your own home is pretty much long gone. No changing it now.
     
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