WestKentucky
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Henry is supposedly 100% made in America. Beyond that I don’t know anymore.
Impact of tariffs on the gun industry
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Ivy Mike
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Doesn't matter. The statement was that countries are reducing tariffs in response to Trump's tariffs. This is notably untrue.
List of products from the United States subject to 25 per cent tariffs effective March 13, 2025 - Canada.ca
Effective March 13, 2025, the Government of Canada is imposing 25 per cent tariffs on $29.8 billion in products imported from the United States (U.S.).
Here. A link that isn't CNN. Canada has slapped us with additional tariffs. Tariffs are effectively a tax on the consumer.
MarshallDodge
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I thought Canada later dropped that tariff?Doesn't matter. The statement was that countries are reducing tariffs in response to Trump's tariffs. This is notably untrue.
List of products from the United States subject to 25 per cent tariffs effective March 13, 2025 - Canada.ca
Effective March 13, 2025, the Government of Canada is imposing 25 per cent tariffs on $29.8 billion in products imported from the United States (U.S.).www.canada.ca
Here. A link that isn't CNN. Canada has slapped us with additional tariffs. Tariffs are effectively a tax on the consumer.
I agree, tariffs are a tax.
Ivy Mike
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Trump has long stated that the trade deficit is the reason he wants these tariffs. He wants to have other countries remove their tariffs or he wants manufacturing to come back to the USA. There are multiple reasons why this is dumb. Yes, China steals stuff from everyone. It's going to happen and it there is very little we can do other than not import Chinese goods or reform our patent system. I don't see long lines of people signing up to have their dollar not buy what it used to be able to buy to stick it to China. It's not the 1980s anymore. China is a manufacturing powerhouse and they did that on purpose. They do manufacturing that the USA couldn't or wouldn't. For example, the Chinese electric car manufacturer BYD is averaging a production time of a new electric car in less than two minutes. They are highly automated and highly efficient.
But none of that has to do with the post I responded to.
The post I replied to said that countries were dropping their tariffs in response to Trump's tariffs. That is just not true. People are getting snowed by a conman.
List of products from the United States subject to 25 per cent tariffs effective March 13, 2025 - Canada.ca
Effective March 13, 2025, the Government of Canada is imposing 25 per cent tariffs on $29.8 billion in products imported from the United States (U.S.).
If folks would think about the purchase of a firearm sensibly, this is what should pan out, but most don’t think of this sensibly nor practically.
A firearm is a unique entity in that it’s usable lifespan exceeds the lifespan of most individuals and, more realistically, several generations.
Given this fact, plus the fact that there are estimated to be 393 million firearms in America (and I bet that’s a conservative number) and 340 million individuals in America. If you remove the population not in the market for a firearm—kids, the elderly, anti 2 A folks who actually practice what they preach, etc, and you figure out how many more than serviceable and practical firearms are out there—which would whittle down the 393 million number significantly (relics, unavailability of ammunition (although manufacturing ammunition in the right calibers that are fairly obscure could alleviate a lot of that), etc,, I would hazard to guess the number of available firearms out there relative to those in need of one is a factor of at least 2 to 1. For some, the pool is greater than for others. Most individuals don’t reload ammunition, but maybe if they taught something practical in school, and taught how to handle black powder with respect and not fear, most would realize how easy it is to roll your own at home, LOL! Loading smokeless powder rounds requires far more precision.
IF this was looked at PRACTICALLY, and folks used their heads and realized this, that they don’t need new, but USED is more practical, cheaper, and likely better built, the effect would be, as follows:
Virtually no demand for new civilian manufactured firearms. Which is, at least in the short term, contrary to the intended effect of tariffs—to source production domestically, and increase American manufacturing jobs.
The second hand market might see an increase in prices 10 to 20% for those prone to panic buying. But, go to ActionZip and note all the firearms available for sale there, often locally. The reality is, the vast majority of folks just need a cheap 9 mm or 12 gauge shotgun for their purposes. Plenty of those out there!
And so the majority of production would be for commercial contracts, to spec, for military and government contracts, such as police departments, etc. Due to these tariffs, the cost of these firearms could increase, maybe 10 to 25%, but this would affect the purchasing power of one’s tax dollars, but not the individual directly.
That is, if folks reasoned sensibly.
Caveat: I realized long ago the superior quality of firearms from a century ago or more, and only own one firearm that is under 50 years old—and barely—because it was a gift. I fire pre 1899 firearms with black powder somewhat regularly, and once you understand how to clean the residue, it’s not daunting at all.
A firearm is a unique entity in that it’s usable lifespan exceeds the lifespan of most individuals and, more realistically, several generations.
Given this fact, plus the fact that there are estimated to be 393 million firearms in America (and I bet that’s a conservative number) and 340 million individuals in America. If you remove the population not in the market for a firearm—kids, the elderly, anti 2 A folks who actually practice what they preach, etc, and you figure out how many more than serviceable and practical firearms are out there—which would whittle down the 393 million number significantly (relics, unavailability of ammunition (although manufacturing ammunition in the right calibers that are fairly obscure could alleviate a lot of that), etc,, I would hazard to guess the number of available firearms out there relative to those in need of one is a factor of at least 2 to 1. For some, the pool is greater than for others. Most individuals don’t reload ammunition, but maybe if they taught something practical in school, and taught how to handle black powder with respect and not fear, most would realize how easy it is to roll your own at home, LOL! Loading smokeless powder rounds requires far more precision.
IF this was looked at PRACTICALLY, and folks used their heads and realized this, that they don’t need new, but USED is more practical, cheaper, and likely better built, the effect would be, as follows:
Virtually no demand for new civilian manufactured firearms. Which is, at least in the short term, contrary to the intended effect of tariffs—to source production domestically, and increase American manufacturing jobs.
The second hand market might see an increase in prices 10 to 20% for those prone to panic buying. But, go to ActionZip and note all the firearms available for sale there, often locally. The reality is, the vast majority of folks just need a cheap 9 mm or 12 gauge shotgun for their purposes. Plenty of those out there!
And so the majority of production would be for commercial contracts, to spec, for military and government contracts, such as police departments, etc. Due to these tariffs, the cost of these firearms could increase, maybe 10 to 25%, but this would affect the purchasing power of one’s tax dollars, but not the individual directly.
That is, if folks reasoned sensibly.
Caveat: I realized long ago the superior quality of firearms from a century ago or more, and only own one firearm that is under 50 years old—and barely—because it was a gift. I fire pre 1899 firearms with black powder somewhat regularly, and once you understand how to clean the residue, it’s not daunting at all.
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I agree with you on this. In the grand scheme of things going on, the impact to the firearm industry is relatively small potatoes. But that is the OP’s topic. My 401k took a bath the last two days as well. I’m fortunate in that I do have more than a decade before retirement to wait this out and let my 401k come back, and come back I believe it will, hence my “buy the dip” comment. Everything is going to get more expensive in the short term at least, and I don’t think the market is done falling yet. For those needing that money in the short term (1-5 years), this is terrible timing.
WisBorn
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The thing is- guns are really cheap now. I just picked up a perfectly serviceable plastic pistol for about $400. Two days take home pay. Definitely less than anybody I know makes in a week. I'll run 1000 rounds or so through it in the next couple of months- the range fees and ammunition will cost more than the gun. The gun may not be here three generations from now, but it will be here in 50 years, and no way I'm living to103.
Goods, even luxury goods, are so ridiculously cheap that, as a people, we buy way more than we need. My mom bought a color TV with a remote and digital channel display for $500 in about 1985, because the old one had no picture, and dad was too cheap to replace it because the sound still worked. Today? I have three TVs in my house that look like they came out a science fiction movie. I threw the remote at the bedroom TV because it glitched up again. Replaced it for $87 at Walmart.
My dad made good money in the 80s and he could afford a house and couple of guns and 8 or 10 American made rods and reels.
We've somehow created a situation where luxuries are so cheap as to be disposable, and something essential like a starter house is $350K. It's backwards.
Not sure how that whole situation is going to be fixed. But $900 Glocks aren't going to be a problem.
It will be interesting to see how it eventually plays out. The first round of China tariffs haven't been repealed during the 7 years since they were first imposed, including during the dem administration, so why is that the case if tariffs are so bad?
Also, if tariffs are a sure-fire disaster for the country that imposes them, why has virtually every other nation on earth had massive tariffs on the US since forever?
We'll see.
Also, if tariffs are a sure-fire disaster for the country that imposes them, why has virtually every other nation on earth had massive tariffs on the US since forever?
We'll see.
hutch51
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I do read Thomas Sowell.
He is a National Treasure. I rank him up with Clarence Thomas, just different areas of expertise.
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