Inherited this rifle, what is it?

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  1. David J Rossman

    David J Rossman Member

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    Good day THR community! I inherited this rifle from my deceased Godfather, he was an antiques dealer so I know it’s authentic rather than a reproduction of some type. I’ve tried to find some information using internet searches but I’m not having any luck. 1711200B-B5B8-4F6D-B7EF-9704FF97EB25.jpeg B039948A-3559-4704-9B86-A95855CB897A.jpeg 82D9300E-7AF1-4A03-A45C-41FE6EEF3D25.jpeg DF40D608-49C5-4AC2-965C-6BDD1370EB47.jpeg 8EC63DD9-B721-4B48-BE6E-867B833F168F.jpeg 2B6A9A0F-4DEE-498C-9CA0-C20C489C5AD3.jpeg B34D2C3A-FCB3-4D56-A1CD-BC17227CCB1E.jpeg 087EB4FE-1A0B-49BB-A0F0-82C2C9937D72.jpeg F5D0046F-C651-46BD-AC2A-E9609AEFD27F.jpeg
     
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  2. PRD1

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    It appears to be a 'Jaeger' (hunter) rifle, likely German or Swiss. Without markings, it will be difficult to tell more about it.

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  3. David J Rossman

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    Well thank you, that at least gives me somewhere to start looking, I really appreciate it! I’ll take another look and see if I can get better pictures of the markings. I also have an old flintlock pistol I’m going to post for ID help once I can get some pictures of it.
     
  4. 351 WINCHESTER

    351 WINCHESTER Member

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    I can not imagine anyone making such a fine rifle and not putting their name on it.
     
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    I have no idea!
    But that there is some beautiful craftsmanship.
     
  6. David J Rossman

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    I thought about removing the action from the stock to see if there’s any info underneath, is that a dumb idea?
     
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    Germanic gunsmithing in the Colonies was done in the style of back home; Guild required apprenticeship. An apprentice, when ready to 'graduate' produced a 'guild gun' which was unsigned, and submitted it to the Guild for evaluation. If they passed, they could sign the guns they made with their name, and we're a journeyman gunsmith. This could well be a guild gun.
    OTOH,
    Not at all. There could be some identifying marks under the wood.
    I'd love to have such a fine piece of American history. :thumbup:
     
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  8. David J Rossman

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    Well that would be something if it turns out to be a guild gun! I wish I had gotten some info about it from my Godfather before he passed. I did get a really old flintlock pistol too that I still need to take pictures of and post here.
    I was supposed to get a genuine Kentucky long rifle from him too but it was stolen!
     
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    Have you removed the lock? There may be some information there.
     
  10. David J Rossman

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    I haven’t done anything yet, I thought I should talk with some people who know more about this stuff than me first. I’ll take a look when I get off shift Friday
     
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    What caliber is it and is it rifled or not?
     
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    What’s the best way to clean the metal parts once I have the rifle disassembled? The action functions but it’s “slow” from the years of gunk and dirt build up
     
  13. David J Rossman

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    it’s smooth barreled 7C4F1BB1-A880-428C-8FFB-27D37A178E42.jpeg
     
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    The Jaegers I am familiar with are styled a bit differently on the barrel end of the stock. Basically less ramrod is showing and the lock seems a bit off. Generally Jaegers were 54-62 cal but really they could have been anything. Both smooth bore and rifled were also both traditional.

    Either way it is a strongly Germanic gun. My thinking is it is more of a Fowler than a Jeager. Being smooth bore and a larger yet caliber of either .66 or 16 gauge. It is close to either of those and .05” off was not uncommon for caliber diameters.

    It is a great example and would be a particularly interesting piece if it was, in fact, a guild gun.
     
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  15. David J Rossman

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    I took the lock and the barrel out of the stock and there aren’t any markings anywhere on gun anywhere with the exception of the single “6” or “9” on the tang at there beach end of the barrel (depending on how you view it).
     
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    Anything under the buttplate?
     
  17. David J Rossman

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    Nope, nothing. The only marking I can find anywhere on the gun is the single number on the top of the breech tang.
     
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