Well, I moseyed through Cabela's in Albuquerque while I waited for a traffic clot to die down, and what did I find but a mint 20 ga Remington 1100 youth model? Mama is thrilled that she will have a shotgun to use in her beginner trap/skeet class, with visions of dove and grouse next fall. Am thinking that being new to shotgunning, especially a semiauto, she does best to learn the gun well at the trap range before traipsing in the woods with it. Gives me time to try and hunt down a full-sized version for papa. And thanks again for the info re O/Us!