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Instead of that shoestring O/U

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by david58, Sep 13, 2019.

  1. david58

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    Well, I moseyed through Cabela's in Albuquerque while I waited for a traffic clot to die down, and what did I find but a mint 20 ga Remington 1100 youth model? Mama is thrilled that she will have a shotgun to use in her beginner trap/skeet class, with visions of dove and grouse next fall. Am thinking that being new to shotgunning, especially a semiauto, she does best to learn the gun well at the trap range before traipsing in the woods with it. Gives me time to try and hunt down a full-sized version for papa.

    And thanks again for the info re O/Us!
     
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  2. George P

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    For trap, either get a shell catcher or watch some You Tube on the rubberband method - It's considered bad form for folks with semis to have their empties flinging towards the shooter on their right (especially if it hits and leaves a mark on an expensive gun)
     
  3. Sappyg2.0

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    Hope the 1100 works out.

    Hopefully you add a shell catcher to the gun for trap. I'll echo George P by saying that generally SA guns are frowned on in trap.
     
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    You're half right- semis that toss hulls at the shooter to the right (or left with a LH) are frowned on. Very few Trap shooters frown on the guns themselves. There are a few that do, most of those shoot P guns or K guns, and have bad averages. Most of the the good shooters, no matter which gun they use, aren't that way.
    I think you made an excellent choice; make sure that 1100 is regularly cleaned and maintained.
     
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  6. George P

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    I don't need to own a P or K gun to get pissed if I am getting pelted by empties. I had that happen to me as a ref at a FITASC tournament. As the ref, I was able to move myself to avoid the empties; shooters on a trap line aren't able to do that.
     
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    A shell catcher can be handy for skeet as well, saves on chasing after empty hulls on the ground. But, you have to remember to disengage it when shooting doubles.

    Many ranges expect you to police your empty hulls before leaving the field.

    The 1100 should be a good choice though.
     
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  8. david58

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    Well, I figger we will just have to figure out something other than competitive trap for her - that wasn't then intent anyway, but rather for her to take a CLASS to learn how to shoot clays to up the odds on wingshooting the wiley grouse and dodgy dove. Certainly don't want to disturb a trap shooter with a hull tossed their way, they sound almost like golfers. But I'd personally rather deal with a hull here and there than that hot brass dance from the pistol range (always seems to happen when I wear a collared shirt and forget to button it up....). LOL. I was super happy to find an 1100 in that condition in a 20 - they shoot so soft that she could easily have handled a 12, but for the weight and balance.
     
  9. entropy

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    Well yeah,100% agreement. I meant the guys who look down on semi autos in general. david58; just get her a shell catcher like the one bearleft linked to, she'll be fine for Trap.
     
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  10. cfullgraf

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    If you can determine when your range is not busy, you can frequently get a field to shoot on by your self or with the wife. Then, you can shoot specific stations and specific targets without interrupting other shooters who want to shoot a normal round.

    When my wife was beginning to shoot skeet, we would get a skeet field by our selves. She would concentrate on particular stations and singles or doubles. It was good practice for her without the challenge of shooting with others.

    Also, the facility we were using at the time offered lessons. My wife would go off with an instructor on one field while I practiced on a different field. My wife got the basics under her belt faster and with less marital conflict. It was well worth the expense of a couple of personal lessons.

    Finally, after my wife was comfortable shooting with me, at first, she would still shoot singles on the skeet field. After a while, she would shoot a proper round of skeet with doubles as she became more comfortable with each station.

    You can do the same kind of things with trap. When I first shot clay targets in my youth, the range officer suggested that I stand directly behind the trap house. It made things a bit easier to learn some of the basics and hit the targets. Again, it is helpful if you can shoot at the range when it is not busy and you can have a field to yourselves.
     
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    You could have a knock down pin welded in the barrel to kick the shells downward. That way, doubles wouldn't be a problem.
     
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    Great find. Great choice. I'm sure the Missus will enjoy!
     
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    It makes sense, but differs from a place to another. At my club, a shooter shall not touch what has fallen on the ground as it belongs to the club from that point.
     
  14. Jim Watson

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    Yup, a shell catcher will fix her right up for Trap singles.
    Skeet shooters will stay out of the ejection pattern.

    Get a coach who works like cfullgraf says, learn one station at a time. He can set the trap machine to throw straightaways and she can start at station 3, then move out to 2 and 4, 1 and 5 to start getting angles. He can start her at skeet station 7 and see straightaways and incomers.
     
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    TS makes a shell catcher for about 10-11 dollars for the 1100,s in 12ga, I use one for trap singles. but I do find using a o/u for all clay games much simpler and faster to use(load-unload and saving cases in doubles), not to mention having the choice between two chokes.
     
  16. joed

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    You'll be happier with the auto over a shoestring O/U, believe me. My first O/U was a Ruger Red Label, worked great for about 2 years. After the 2 years that gun spent more time at the gunsmith than it did in my safe. I actually thought a manufacturer like Ruger would build a decent O/U.

    I now own a used Browning Superposed and it's flawless, it has never failed me in 4 years of use.
     
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    A decent O/U is not cheap or easy to build, hence they cost $$$.
     
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    Take her to the Skeet field instead. Leave Trap to the grumpy old men.
     
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    I'm kinda old and can hold my own with grumpy. But the whole point is to have her happy in the field with a passle of dogs (we do Airedales) and grouse gathering as much of the pattern as possible. Trap/skeet is mostly for learning, via instruction. Additionally, the club we belong to closest to home almost never has a shooter on the range when we go shoot, so disturbing the sensitive is no issue on most days.

    We generally get our competitive shooting out of the way with our muzzleloaders, planning to play with our handguns, too. Trap/skeet time would be a means to an end, again, dove/quail/grouse.

    Thanks, all!
     
  20. George P

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    When I started my kids shooting at about age 9, I did the same thing; that way we could start on station 7, then 1, and so on.
     
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    Very good choice.
     
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    I came across an 1100 standard weight 20 gauge today in a Gander Outdoors store. Pretty beat up with some finish issues,rust pitting and scratches, blueing gone is several spots, fixed full choke vent rib. They were still pretty proud of it and wanted $589.
     
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    I’ve had a 20 Ruger Red Label for 25 years and it’s probably had close to 8,000 rounds through it without a glitch. Either I got lucky or you got unlucky but I haven’t met another with issues with theirs.

    Mark
     
  24. david58

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    WOW! The one I found is mint, I can look hard and find two small marks on the stock. They had it priced at $499.99, I paid $469 and tax. Every once in a while I get lucky, far more often I walk away from the deal, glad I didn't this time.

    I wonder who prices those things at stores like Cabela's and Gander.
     
  25. George P

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    Then I'll add to your list of unhappy RRL owners. ;)
    I had the 28 gauge, the one they supposedly got right - they didn't. Ejectors kept slipping over the hulls jamming the gun - 3 trips back to Ruger and they replaced everything; never worked right. It went away. Ruger has tried, and failed, TWICE making shotguns, just not their forte......
     
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