Inter Ordnance charged, illegal importing, sales

[glocksman]

My apologies.

It was Bill Hook who said it. I edited the post to reflect that.

 

[Hkmp5sd]

I've bought guns and accessories from them for years and have no complaints. If they didn't cut the receivers exactly to regulations, then give them a fine and get over it. They didn't sell functioning machineguns to anyone and no one, law enforcement or civilian, is at risk of being killed or dismembered by any of these parts kits.

And how exactly, did they manage to import and sell 3,500+ "machineguns", all duly listed in their records, before ATF noticed they were destroying the receivers incorrectly? Why is a chopped up piece of steel that was once a part for a machinegun considered to be a machinegun?

As a side note, I have also requested that my employer not deposit my weekly paycheck into the bank if it exceeds $10,000 as I do not want to have to have the government think I am an illegal arms dealer or drug smuggler.

 

[goalie]

I think they may be getting the shaft, but it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

They always come for the unpopular or isolated ones first. If/when they come for you, will anyone care, or will someone just say "I think he may be getting the shaft, but it couldn't happen to a nicer guy?

 

[Chuck Jennings]

"We must all hang together, or most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."


--Ben Franklin

 

[Bill Hook]

I've ordered one item from them and ended up disputing it with the CC Co. after they took forever to resolve it on their own. I'm still within the 90 day window on the charge, so I have to see what BS they'll pull regarding restocking fees, etc.

You should check the C&R boards, like gunboards.com to get a feel for the regard in which they are held. They aren't the worst outfit out there, but saying they have an honesty problem is putting it mildly.

I think the BATF regs are bogus, so my focus is on them trying to evade the reporting requirements for their deposits, even if they did nothing illegal in making sub-$10K deposits. Not worthy of charges in itself, but worthy of an audit, then charges, if this was an attempt at tax-evasion, in spite of my contempt for the IRS, in particular, and taxes, in general.

 

[BowStreetRunner]

well hopefully the brothers have enough money to fight this instead to a fair conclusion........many people arrested by the ATF for something less dont have the money to defend themselves and get reailroaded.........if the bro's got the money and the case, they might be able to assert that the ATF is "legislating" from the executive branch by making rules without the approval of congress........but im not familiar with the rules that well so i cant say.........
BSR

 

[GSB]

As a side note, I have also requested that my employer not deposit my weekly paycheck into the bank if it exceeds $10,000

If this is a problem for you, let me know if there are any open positions. I can send you a resume tonight.

 

[M1911Owner]

In fact a receiver capable of accepting parts to enable automatic fire (which with the right machien skills would encompass ALL semi-automatic firearms) is considerd a machine gun in some cases even when the parts necessary to enable automatic fire are absent.

(which with the right machining skills would encompass ALL blocks of steel larger than a certain minimum size)

 

[TheOtherOne]

In fact a receiver capable of accepting parts to enable automatic fire (which with the right machien skills would encompass ALL semi-automatic firearms) is considerd a machine gun in some cases even when the parts necessary to enable automatic fire are absent.

(which with the right machining skills would encompass ALL blocks of steel larger than a certain minimum size)

In other words, if they want to bust you then they are going to bust you -- regardless of what you've really done.

 

[Hkmp5sd]

if they want to bust you then they are going to bust you

Yepper.

 

[Glock-A-Roo]

...deposits into various bank accounts in amounts less than $10,000 to avoid reporting requirements.

Isn't this like getting ticketed for driving 53 mph in a 55 zone, since you were obviously driving under the limit to avoid... paying a fine for going over the limit?!?

 

[BlkHawk73]

Hey, if they broke the law, charge 'em and give 'em time. Or are we supposed to stand behind lawbreakers if they're gun dealers? As mentioned before, if the cut parts didn't meet regs, then like it or not, laws were broken. Period!

 

[c_yeager]

Isn't this like getting ticketed for driving 53 mph in a 55 zone, since you were obviously driving under the limit to avoid... paying a fine for going over the limit?!?

Well, its more like driving 53 in a 55 so the cops dont pull you over and find the body in your trunk. its not the deposits that are the problem its the tax evasion/illegal activities that the deposits are covering up that are the problem.

 

[TheOtherOne]

Hey, if they broke the law, charge 'em and give 'em time. Or are we supposed to stand behind lawbreakers if they're gun dealers?

If the laws are illegal to begin with then which law breakers do you side with? BATFE or Inter Ordnance?

 

[Hkmp5sd]

While looking for ways to give my money away, I came across this....

Interordnance of America, L.P. and its two individual owners, Ulrich H. Wiegand and Oliver M. Wiegand, have been formally charged by the federal government for violations of federal firearms laws relating to the importation and sale of certain machine gun parts kits. Interordnance and the Wiegands deny each and every charge filed against them.

The charges arise after a two and one-half year investigation of Interordnance by BATF regarding the deactivation and resale of specific parts of PPSH-41, Fn FAL and MP-69 machine guns. During the investigation, BATF seized over two million dollars of inventory from Interordnance without providing Interordnance a meaningful avenue of recovery or response until now. Interordnance welcomes the opportunity to be able to finally respond to the federal government’s allegations.

Interordnance maintains that its actions regarding the importation and sale of the parts kits were at all times legal and in accordance with BATF regulations. Presently, none of the parts kits are offered by Interordnance pending resolution of the formal charges, even though similar parts kits can be found for legal sale by other firearms dealers.

Interordnance and its principal owners deny any wrongdoing. Interordnance stands by the legality of sale of all of its products.

Due to the pending litigation, Interordnance may not be able to respond to every customer inquiry regarding the allegations; though, Interordnance welcomes customer inquiry on any of its present product line. Interordnance thanks its customers for their continued support and looks forward to establishing its innocence with regard to the government’s allegations.

Interordnance Press Release 2/11/04