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Interesting concept in bodyarmor...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by thexrayboy, May 13, 2007.

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  1. thexrayboy

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  2. Kali Endgame

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    Yep, pretty cool stuff. I saw a video a few months back and they showed a test. Looks promising. IIRC, they fired a 9mm(?) into it, iand it stopped the projectile then returned to its maleable form.
     
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    But will any be available to civilians?
     
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    everything is available to civilians. question is can a civilian afford it ;)
     
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    Shear thickening fluids have been around for a while in one form or another, its just never found much practical use until lately where it'd be great for body armor in sports and protection in the military and law enforcement. There are lots of inventions out there that float around in the abyss a while until someone finds a practical purpose (the laser comes to mind). They already have consumer products using the stuff. I came across high end ski pants that used some form of shear thickening fluid pads so clipping one of those flag poles wouldn't bust your shin. It was through one of those scientific publication's online articles.
     
  7. AR-15 Rep

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    The next question is, if civilians get it so will the BG's and what will it take for our PD's to be able to stop it then?
     
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    Of course it'll be available to civvies - I can't wait until all the courier services are using this stuff - feels like gritty sandpaper, protects like a stack of phonebooks.

    > what will it take for our PD's to be able to stop it then?

    Marksmanship
     
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    True, but trying to hit a bouncing head shot running is going to take alot more practice for most officers. Maybe we should just keep it off the streets and give our officers other things to worry about.
     
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    "Maybe we should just keep it off the streets and give our officers other things to worry about."


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    It seems like the materials science behind body armor is getting a lot better very quickly.
     
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    > trying to hit a bouncing head shot running is going to take alot more practice for most officers.

    This reminds me of the shootout some Detroit cops had with an unarmed man in front of a white bronco - they only hit the bronco half the time and utterly missed the guys they were aiming at. I'd say most cops could stand to practice more.

    Now then, if you have some idiot shooting at you while wearing expensive body armor, what's to stop you from knocking him around with a .45? Honestly, it doesn't sound like the sort of thing cops have to worry about. Most criminals don't wear body armor in the first place.
     
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    My question is this: what are armies going to do in the next thirty years when everyone starts equipping themselves with such armor vests?

    Right now, a set of dragon skin (the current state-of-the-art) runs about five grand a pop; far too costly for any army to feasibly equip each grunt with.

    But as technology advances, these materials will become cheaper and cheaper.

    Military planners could face a situation in the near future where multiple hits to center-of-mass aren't likely to bring an enemy soldier down.

    So...after many years, the next infantry arms race will be on, I think. I wonder what the solution will be? Exploding ammunition? Ouch. Energy weapons require too many breakthroughs (exponentially better power sources, room temperature superconductors, things like that) to be a solution. (In any case lasers will penetrate less than projectiles.)

    I wonder if the next generation of small arms, after decades of going smaller and smaller bore, will be large-bore weapons, with reduced magazine capacities, firing what amounts to miniature grenades with shaped-charge warheads? Holy crap, the ammo costs would be outrageous!

    (Not to mention the safety concerns of handling such ammo. :eek: )

    I wouldn't worry about this stuff ending up "on the street" anymore than I worry about criminals wearing Interceptor vests today. Your average crack dealer isn't going to spend the time and thousands of dollars necessary to scrounge such an item from the black market, especially since such things will still be bulky and conspicuous for the foreseeable future.
     
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    The next generation of ammo is likely to be the "blended metal" rounds.

    Show n tell videos show these rounds as being capable of penetrating virtually all ballistic vests without plate and some with. They retain their integrity when they strike a hard, resistive object and act like AP ammo. Upon striking warm resilient tissue they become frangible and produce devastating wounds. After that? who knows. It will be quite some time before we have directed energy weapons that are man portable unless some
    hotshot comes up with a huge increase in the efficency of energy storage.
    The batteries needed to make a laser etc weapon that can actually do significant damage is far too heavy to be man portable.
     
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    Ar15rep- Totally agree. And we should ban AR15s for the same reason... oh wait.... never mind
     
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    And just how do you propose to do that? Pass a law making it illegal to own? Pass another law making it illegal to sell to non LEO or non military? All that will do is keep it out of the hands of the law abiding, people that "our officers" don't have to worry about in the first place. Or do you believe that passing a law making it illegal will make criminals, by definition people who do NOT obey laws, not illegally obtain and use it?

    Interested in hearing your plan to keep something criminals would want and would steal or buy from the black market, "off the streets".
     
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    "Plasma rifle, in the 40 megawatt range."


    Just what you see here, Pal
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    Bah, this technology has been around since I was a kid... ever try to punch Stretch Armstrong?:D
     
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    The only thing I've heard of in that area is the LeMat ammunition, which they claimed was "armor piercing, limited penetration".

    As far as I know, they're nothing but a bunch of charlatans. Claiming that a bullet will be solid and hard when striking armor, but will fragment when striking soft tissue, because the tissue is warm, is absurd. The bullet itself leaves the barrel much hotter than the piddly 98.6*F of the average human body. LeMas ammo was nothing more than low-mass, high velocity, pre-fragmented ammunition. It has poor sectional density/ballistic coefficients on top of it.

    Even if it did work, though, current gen AP ammo may not cut it for much longer. There are already vests that will absorb multiple direct hits of .30-06AP; they will only become more common as the advance of technology brings the costs of such materials down.

    I think on the battlefield of the future, something more is going to be needed, and out of that necessity, niceties like the Hague Accords are going to go out the window...

    (Which is not necessarily a good thing, but I think that's just the way it'll be.)
     
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    My kids make this stuff by mixing cornstarch and water. Looks and acts like a liquid in the bowl, but you can't stick your finger into it. Interesting stuff.
     
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    Reality Check

    Did anybody read the Reality Check at the bottom of the article?

    The best body armor is cover and good sense. (I like that quote - it's copyrighted by thegriz):neener:

    I'm still waiting for the energy field shields like they had in the movie/book Dune. Crud, they already developed counter measures to this in the movie!:neener:

    For every measure there will be an equal or greater counter-measure. (I like that quote too - it's copyrighted by thegriz):neener:

    :neener: :neener: :neener: :neener: :neener: :neener:

     
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