Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by El Mariachi, Feb 21, 2012.
Except laws are regularly passed by congress directly as a result of administrations driving them.
Many people on this forum weren't old enough to have owned guns in the AWB and yet we've grown enormously in numbers since the sunset of the AWB.
Many people out there buying guns don't remember the AWB and those that did go through it didn't jump on the opportunity to purchase banned guns when it sunset and have had years to purchase banned guns since sunset so don't need to rush to get them now.
People are buying guns because of the effort we've all put in changing the culture of fear promulgated by the antis. We worked hard to counter their hysterical claims, but the failure of the streets to run with blood as CCW holders engaged in Old West movie shootouts have made the hysterical claims of the antis appear foolish. People are responding to the effort we've made to take the "evil" out of EBRs and make them just another type of rifle suitable for hunting. People are responding to the WORK by pro2A advocates at getting "shall issue" laws in more states than ever before to allow people to protect themselves, further confounding antis. People are responding to the WORK by pro2A advocates at getting more "Castle Doctrine" laws in place in more states to confound the antis.
It is the successful opposition to the propaganda and legal onslaught of the antis that has raised the awareness of the American public to their right to protect themselves and the acceptability of exercising that right and all that comes with being able to exercise that right (carry laws, castle doctrine, AND the purchase of firearms) that has made owning a firearm more and more popular to Americans. Add a general feeling of uncertainty about the near future and fear that cuts in budgets will reduce the number of LEOS making them more vulnerable to crime and you have a near perfect explanation why sales of firearms have increased.
This myth that the public fear that another AWB will be put in place doesn't explain the huge numbers of people spending their hard earned money on firearms, courses and carry permits. They have to believe in the fundamental reasons people purchase firearms, go to the courses and get carry permits to go to the trouble.
I'd much rather see a good graphic showing the relationship between firearms sales and shall issue/castle doctrine and the failure of the anti myths to materialize.
Start going to the public school board meetings. Keep quiet for a few meetings. You will be noticed because normally there are not many folks at those meetings. Your silence will give you a bit of cover because you won't be the stranger coming to a meeting and ranting right out of the starting blocks.
After a few meetings, speak at the portion of the meeting that allows for comment on things not on the agenda. Suggest that the board begin to explore the value in teaching firearm safety in the lower grades and contemplate integrating the shooting sports into the Junior High with air rifles and pistols and full on Varsity shooting sports in the Senior High using shotguns, rifles and handguns. Have informed info as to the value of same. Suggest they not jump into it, but thoroughly explore the efficacy of safety and sport giving students another life skill that they can use for the rest of their lives.
After reading these posts I find he's good for at least one thing - gun sales.
My next purchase will be made in America. NYC precisely.
Putting the increase of gun ownership at the feet of Obama only devalues all of the hard work across the country towards the RKBA through improved legislation that has been demonstrating themselves not to have the doomsday outcomes that the FUD-powered antis used for opposition.
However, the ammunition shortage just prior to the President's election and for most of the following year has affected my ammunition buying habits. I don't want to be caught without ammunition if I feel like going shooting.
I believe hunting license sales are actually down a little. They have little to do with firearm sales any more.
Outside of the referenced article, the one sales related statistic I can't explain is the number of NICS checks done in Kentucky. The numbers are remarkable for a state with a relatively small population.
Many people are starting to feel as though they can defend themselves now and there is a reason to be concerned about home defense. The police can not protect you. They are reactive, not proactive for the most part. But from a practical perspective, that is how it should be.
now that is some reasoning to get behind!!! I will help as much as possible.
And this works as a good enough reason for me to buy yet another gun!
All joking aside, the comments by HSO and Neverwinter are, IMO, spot on.
I acknowledge that attitudes have shifted for a number of reasons however there is no denying that the election time gun spree was primarily induced by another AWB fear. Said spree introduced many into shooting which is a good thing. Many people have probably also bought guns out of increased fear of crime which often has more to do with political change that people find unfavorable than actual crime statistics. I believe all people should have the means to protect themselves but not always in what motivates them to get there.
I think a lot of this trend has to do with people being tired of being victims of violent crime.
This is from Buckeye firearms assn.
"911 is a joke": Self-defense killings skyrocket as law-abiding Detroiters take matters into their own hands"
There's usually some show that involves guns on TV (American Guns, Swamp People, Hoggers, Sons of Guns, Top Shot, etc.) These shows present people legally using and enjoying firearms and creates a more accepting atmosphere. After years of using the image of a gun to show fear and crime, it's now shifting away from that. Don't underestimate the value of this positive exposure in creating acceptance
"Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains."
I wonder how much of this is simple demographics? The population is aging and those starry-eyed liberals from my generation have grown older and swapped positions on many things they believed in when they were young.
All true. Executive Orders do NOT need approval of Congress. In addition, you forgot one important item. The President appoints Supreme Court Justices. If Obama wins re-election he will have at least two seats to fill with more rabidly anti-gun justices who could overturn Heller and make the 2A dissapear as we know it.
The President does NOT need Congress to do extreme damage to our gun rights.
The reason for the high background checks in KY is do to the fact that they run background checks on all CCW holders every 3 months I believe. It might be 6 months, but all are ran at least twice a year. So many of the BGCs are actually for CCW and not firearms sales.
EXACTLY - thank you for pointing this out! And the gun industry thanks those of you who feverishly throw money at them as they keep pounding the drums of fear to buy more and more. You guys need to realize that the gun industry is perfectly happy to instill fear into its customer base because they know it results in bigger sales. Somehow they've tricked us into thinking that they're on "our side." BS, they're on the side of making money, so never forget that the next time they say you better "hurry up and buy..." Pisses me off it does... I'm all for gun ownership, but when "they" (gun sellers) talk about "them" (the antis) you have to be very carefull about what their true goal is - to make money. Where it comes from doesn't matter, and never forget they do not have your best interest at heart, they're simply good salesmen.
Honestly given his previous record if Obama's opponent wins (looking less and less likely) INFORMED gun owners would buy buy buy before he has a chance to take office.
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