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Internal Lock on Ruger Vaquero?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Balrog, Sep 11, 2011.

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  1. Balrog

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    Does anyone know how this lock works, and can it be removed?
     
  2. ArchAngelCD

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    No need to remove the lock. It is accessed by removing the grips and the default state is unlocked so if there is a malfunction of the lock it will not disable your handgun.
     
  3. DPris

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    Since it forms the seat of the mainspring strut, it can't just be removed. You need something to replace it, or the gun won't function.
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  4. BCCL

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    Don't lock it and ignore it, and you'll never know it's there.
     
  5. Balrog

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    Assuming it doesnt tear up and lock up the gun
     
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    So far there haven't been any reports of the lock giving any problems, but where there is any lock they’re a possibility - although remote to the extreme. You can address the issue at least 2 ways:

    1. Remove the lock, and replace it with a custom-made mainspring strut seat, which should not be especially difficult or expensive.

    2. Degrease the lock, feed it a shot of epoxy while in the locked position, and then turn it to unlocked before the adhesive can set. Thereafter it won't move.

    A final option would be expensive: Replace the grip frame with an older one that never had a lock.

    Keep in mind that if you ever returned the revolver to the factory it would be returned with a functional lock, and a bill for payment on your dime.
     
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    I have replaced one or two on my Rugers, it required a new spring and plate as I recall. I no longer bother, the lock is a non issue with the SA Rugers.
     
  8. CraigC
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    Unlike S&W, the Ruger lock is a non-issue. I despise S&W's lock and won't buy one so-equipped but Ruger's lock is another matter. I would prefer it wasn't there but if it has to be, Ruger's design is the one you want. It is easily ignored and after six years on the market, I have yet to hear a single report of one malfunctioning. I really wouldn't see a point in replacing it or rendering it inoperable.

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  9. BCCL

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    Has one been documented in a Ruger SA?
     
  10. Balrog

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    Don't know. But you wouldn't have to ask that question if the lock was not there.
     
  11. FoghornLeghorn

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    The lock shouldn't even be an issue on anything other than a self defense gun. Nobody would choose a SA as for SD, would they?
     
  12. Balrog

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    If it happens to be the only loaded gun handy, then yes I would use it for SD.
     
  13. BCCL

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    And you wouldn't have to ask about any number of smaller and more delicate parts in the same gun if they weren't either........................

    You can find reports of things breaking on Rugers here and there, but I've yet to see a report of a problem with their internal lock, (show me one if you can) and from direct first hand experience I can tell you that you can't even tell it's there.

    Your looking for something to worry about.
     
  14. Balrog

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    Some parts have to be on a gun to make it work. Some don't. If a necessary part breaks, then oh well, you are out of luck.

    If an unnecessary part breaks and locks up your gun, then you are the victim of stupid engineering.

    Maybe the Ruger lock will never have a single failure, and thus be the first thing ever devised by mortal men that can't be broken. If so, then Ruger has done something truly miraculous.
     
  15. FoghornLeghorn

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    Well then, instead of all this hand wringing drama, sell the thing and buy yourself a pre-lock Ruger SA.
     
  16. BCCL

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    ^Yup, whole lot easier than all this drama queen "maybewhatifcouldpossiblyitus"
     
  17. Balrog

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    Actually other posters started the drama.

    I asked two specific questions. How does it work, and can it be removed.
     
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    How does the lock work?
     
  19. BCCL

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    It's a simple system, your turn the key to the "locked" position and it blocks the main spring strut from moving, which prevents to gun from being cocked.

    When "unlocked", no part of the lock is in contact with any parts of the guns action and the lock parts cannot move on their own without the key, so it's presence does not effect the action at all, it is impossible to tell just by cycling the action if the lock is present or not. (even in .44 magnum recoil, there have not been any reports of the locks breaking or engaging themselves.)

    Now a lot to it, and virtually impossible for it to break or accidentally engage itself.

    Ignore it, shoot 'em and enjoy! :)
     
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    I'll admit I'm no fan of any internal lock, but this one doesn't bother me.

    But that not the point. I'm tired of manufacturers that impose them on us, mostly to protect themselves from a lawsuit if someone (especially a child) gets ahold of an unsecured gun, and bottom-feeding tort lawyers come forth to blame the maker, not a careless owner.

    Same reason we're stuck with "Don't shoot until you read the instruction book," stamped somewhere on the barrel.

    Anyway I respect Balorg's right to have a choice. If he doesn't want the lock he should be able to get rid of it. The gun manufacturer couldn't care less, because if the lock is tampered with they are off the hook. If there is any additional liability transfered to Balorg he doesn't seem worried about it.

    As someone mentioned, he can buy a pre-lock model, and that's something he should take into consideration. But whichever way he goes it's his decision.
     
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    Obviously it's his decision. However, get rid of it just because you don't like it but don't manufacture reasons for doing it.
     
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    The Ruger lock doesn't bother me, but then it's not on a SD/HD gun.

    If my 1911 or SP101 had a lock...
    No forget that, I wouldn't have bought them if they had a lock.
     
  23. Balrog

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    How have I manufactured a reason?

    Any mechanical device can break, can't it? Sometimes you just have to deal with it if it is an essential part, such as a broken firing pin. But if it not essential to the guns function and it breaks, then its a big problem.
     
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    This is a 100% accurate claim

    however, some devices are designed so that IF/WHEN they fail, they fail in a way that will not impede the function of the greater system they are a part of...this seems to be how the Ruger ILS is
     
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    Okay. Before this one goes into full-blown snark...

    I don't care for the mandate-imposed locks, either, and there have been a few reports of them locking spontaneously on some guns. The SA Ruger isn't one of them, and after close examination and application of the ol' thinkin' cap...it doesn't appear that this particular one will self-engage under recoil. This one is about as passive as you can get. If it's a real concern, Fuff's epoxy suggestion will absolutely address it.

    And, just FYI...We have a fairly large and active CAS interest at Piedmont Handgunner's Association, and the majority of the shooters adopted the New Vaqueros en masse. I know most of the guys and gals, and I haven't heard a single report of the lock failing.

    Neither have I had anything to happen with any of the three lock-equipped Rugers that I own, and I shoot more than the average bear.

    Although anything is possible, my call is that any concern with this particular lock is a non-issue. It's a well though out system that Ruger implemented so that they could meet the requirements of certain states...and then they not only hid it...they designed it so we'd have to actually make an extra effort to even use it. In order to lock the revolver, you really have to want to.
     
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