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Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics, and Training' started by Good Ol' Boy, Aug 30, 2022.

  1. Good Ol' Boy

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    This is a video John Lovell recently posted about a meth head stumbling onto his property.

    Its an evaluation of what happend and how to do it better.

    In that spirit I recently watched a video of him at a Young American conference where he said he "carried all the time". Yet, at his own homestead he does not carry a pistol on his person because "he doesn't want to live around a gun on his property".

    I'm not trying to bash him, I'm actually a fan, but he's the last person I would've thought to say that.

    I live rural as he does, although with not near as much property, but outside of my job I am always carrying. Especially at home. His story here is a prime example why.


     
  2. Jeff White

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    I saw the video when he first posted it. I lost a lot of respect for him if he really handled it that way.
     
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  3. Milt1

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    I don't see anything wrong with what Lovell did other than I wouldn't have thrown a shotgun on a dude in shorts specially where I could see his hands but the shotgun would have been ready to use. I think the film has a lot to offer in that it reminds us that every base can't be covered.
     
  4. Jeff White

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    He went from pointing a shotgun at the intruder to driving like an idiot rushing him to the hospital.

    It was completely unnecessary to treat the intruder that way. In some jurisdictions it would have been illegal. The whole performance struck me as: “look at me, I’m so tactical and together I treated a trespasser who didn’t display any aggression like I was a cop doing a felony stop before I even asked him what he was doing there. Then I was so together I put him in my vehicle and rushed him to the hospital breaking numerous traffic laws in the process. I’m so cool and tactical!”

    I’ve confronted intruders on my property before, I’ve even ran some off, but there was never a need to point a gun at anyone. I always managed to handle things before it escalated to that point. I feel sorry for the person who stops to ask directions.
     
  5. old lady new shooter

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    I saw the video when it first came out, found it only moderately interesting. But what he said about carrying was he didn't like carrying while "mucking out stalls". I dunno what that should have to do with anything, a man normally wears a belt, what's the big deal about having a filled holster on it?

    Whatever, I wish him and his family all the best in their new rural environment.
     
  6. old lady new shooter

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    Do people actually stop to ask directions any more not that their phone can take care of that?
     
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  7. LiveLife

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    I don't carry a pistol on person on our acreage located at the end of private road with 8 neighboring acreages because we have 4 dogs which are quite alert and keen to even specific tire noise our neighbors' cars/trucks make.

    So when they alert/bark, everyone knows someone who doesn't live in our neighborhood is driving down the road. They alert/bark at UPS/FedEx/Postal trucks and alert at weekly trash trucks.

    If dogs do not stop barking and I am concerned, I would gladly reach for a firearm and cellphone which are within easy reach. But usually, when a stranger is driving or walking around (Typically lost because Google Maps shows different for the area), they notice the barking dogs and slowly go back out the private road. There have been some sketchy characters (Probably scoping out the neighborhood) and neighbors and I are quick to approach/confront them to "help out" and they usually hurry back out or admit/act like they are lost and we help them go on their way.
     
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  8. Jeff White

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    Yes they do. Google and Apple Maps aren’t perfect, especially in rural areas. They also tend to take people down field roads that urban dwellers wouldn’t recognize as a road.
     
  9. LiveLife

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    There is a left hand turn road nearby our property that if you follow Google Maps, you would drive off road into private property straight into cows and houses. :eek:

    If you follow Google Maps down our private road, you would drive off road into houses, chickens, rabbits, goats and barking dogs. When people slow down and stop, we usually tell them, "Yup, county road ended way back there and the private road does not go through like it shows on Google Maps". :p
     
  10. Jeff White

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    You don’t get them out of their vehicle as if you were making a felony stop and make certain they aren’t armed before you tell them the county road ended “back there”? ;):rofl::rofl:
     
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  11. toivo

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    Tell me about it. I followed a Google map once for a shortcut and had to hit my brakes when my headlights lit up an unbroken expanse of water. I had my "Aha!" moment when I remembered the name of the road: "Fording Place Road." On a different map, it was marked "seasonal," but not on the one I was using.
     
  12. Blue Jays

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    John Lovell demonstrated utterly reckless and awful behavior.
    Posted by me elsewhere on THR about this exact same video:

     
  13. old lady new shooter

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    Jeff, LiveLife, and toivo, I stand corrected.

    After reading your posts I even remembered one time I ended up driving next to a shallow river not even on a road, because I followed the directions of the map lady in the phone.
     
  14. old lady new shooter

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    For the benefit of anyone else who would like to read Blue Jays' other post in context, here is the link:
    https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-mason-or-atticus-finch.909277/#post-12388717

    FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, you can link to another post on THR by right clicking on the post number, and selecting "Copy link address".
     
  15. gyp_c2

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    People end up on my street everyday listening to phone directions.
    I've been told they were following shortcut directions as a workaround to access the next street over.
    I live on a dead end.
    o_O :rofl:
     
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  16. CDW4ME

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    I live in a small house a short walk from the beach, its a "good area".
    Use to live in KY in the country on 20 wooded acres, also a "good area"
    What do those two different places where I lived have in common? I carry at home at both places.
    If I'm wearing cargo shorts, I've got on a belt and there is a holstered Glock on it; doesn't matter if I'm just staying at home.
    Do I "feel the need" to carry at home? No, sure don't. Its unnecessary, always has been. I'll keep doing it anyway. ;):D
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  17. dh1633pm

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    My dad has a bunch of land. People come on the property to hunt and do all sorts of things like "grow the weed". I always meet them with a rifle slung. Always passive in body language. Tell them its posted, no hunting or whatever. Wouldn't think of meeting them unarmed. I am not usually armed at my home. Nor do I carry day to day. Once in a while I do carry, like when I go to the range or other times. Please no NY sucks comments.
     
  18. Armored farmer

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    Yeah same here. Owning a bunch of property comes with the job.
    I'll gaurantee someone is hunting/ fishing/camping/atv-ing or something.....shooting.....on our property right now...at this moment.
    I built a little bridge across a big creek to access our property on the other side.. It is a popular spot for people to trespass, and I'll admit... for around here, its pretty scenic.
    I'm usually pretty lenient with people unless its deer season or they're littering beer cans, but you would be surprised at the number of people that get huffy when you confront them. They all have some reason why they have permission, lol.
     
  19. jmorris

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    If I felt that way I don’t know where I would stay.

    If you own property there are going to be people on it that you didn’t invite. Knowing your neighbors probably helps more than anything. We haven’t had much incidents in the last 20 years or so but I did have a game camera stolen a couple years ago, on a piece of property that is across a public road from the rest.

    I figured it “got them” and they took it for that reason. So I took the FEL over there and put another up so high they couldn’t reach it or likely even see it when they came back (don’t they always). The next week the camera had been returned and I had photos of the kids that took it as well as the adult that made them return it. They didn’t return the memory card, probably because it had their picture on it but I felt better that they at least returned the expensive part and hopefully learned a lesson. This is them, the hooded one is wiping off his finger prints.

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    Showed them to our neighbor who is also a high school teacher and she knew who they were. That was the extent of my action and have not seen them since.
     
  20. Scrapiron45

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    Living in a rural area and working as a contractor I get to talk to a lot of the folks moving here from the more populated areas seeking sanctuary. They come here to get away from their world but fail to realize that interstates and the internet won't allow that. Their former home security plan involved motion lights, cameras, neighbors and maybe a dog or a gun to cover a half acre. Now they own 10,20, or 100 acres and are still trying to keep the world out.
    Our small rural county has three homeless camps that I'm aware of. Most of the inhabitants have about the same morals and standards as the rest of the wildlife meaning they take whatever they can and have no respect for fences, signs or gates. They are druggies or wanted by the law somewhere and that's why they live the way they do.
    Carry the damn gun. I started carrying a pistol full time around the farm back when the fur industry collapsed and rabid coons and foxes became an everyday occurrence which is now complimented by feral cats and the occasional wild/stray dog. In respect to the rabies threat the local game warden said shoot em all, there's plenty to go around.
    In taking the guy to the hospital John screwed up. Two professional health care workers in my family and they both say 25% of the population is being treated for mental illness and 25% more need treatment. You just locked yourself in a cage with sick animal that wandered in from the woods and you have no idea what issues they may be carrying.
    It's all part of the continuing education process.
     
  21. Night Rider

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    I was at work one night checking in electrical substation at the end of a dirt road.

    Where the paved Road ended there were concrete barricades across the road with a gate in the middle of it for utilities vehicles to get onto the road and come to their substation.

    The road was CLEARLY posted.

    So I did my check and I was getting in my car and getting ready to leave when I saw a guy on a bicycle ride up to the gate.

    I watched the guy get off the bike, lift it over the gate, climb the gate and get back on the bike and start riding towards me. He didn't see me because it was dark and I was parked in the shadows.

    When he was about 20 feet from me I turned on my overheads and my spots and stopped him.

    I told him I watched him climb over the fence. I asked him did you not see those signs? I asked him even if you didn't see the signs shouldn't the closed and locked gate be an indication to you that we don't want you here?

    He told me that he took that road home every night and that those signs did not apply to him. He had some rationale for it but I don't remember what it was.

    He actually had the nerve to be offended when I told him to turn around, go back to the gate and leave.

    That's the mentality that you're dealing with and it's gotten exponentially worse since Covid.

    Around here people pull their RVs into the Walmart parking lot and just set up camp. I have no idea of Walmart even attempts to do anything about it but I know that when I called police on trespassers right before I retired they told me they weren't coming.
     
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  22. Jeff White

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    Walmart allows that. I read where someone was suing Walmart because the security wasn't adequate so I imagine we won't see RVs on the Walmart parking lots much longer.
     
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    This is my first exposure to Lovell, and it should be my last.
     
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  24. WrongHanded

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    I once saw a video he did where he was evaluating his home security in a number of categories. He scored himself pretty high. I guess not high enough.

    I particularly liked the part about how all his signs didn't stop this guy. I have the utmost confidence he'd tell you "no-gun" signs don't stop criminals carry guns.
     
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  25. Ethan Verity

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    110mph on roads posted 40? Yeah, I agree with comments above... VERY reckless! Greeting someone on your property with a shotgun actually pointed at them, who wasn't actively presenting a threat, is excessive as well... it sounds paranoid to me. I could see if they were inside your house, but not outside like that.

    I've personally been in a critical situation where I needed to drive someone to the hospital during a medical emergency. I still abided by traffic laws, because I knew that being pulled over, crashing, or hitting someone, would slow me down a lot more or create an even bigger problem! It's all about risk mitigation.
     
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