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IPSC vs IDPA

Discussion in 'Competition Shooting' started by Sniper X, Jul 15, 2010.

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  1. Sniper X

    Sniper X Member

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    So if you had to explain to someone in a nutshell what the difference was, how would you explain it?

    thanks all.....
     
  2. frankge

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    one is run and gun the other is use cover closer to reality
     
  3. Sniper X

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    Aren't there also differences in equipment?
     
  4. Jim Watson

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    Well, kind'a - sort'a.
    IDPA has no Divison for the scope sighted compensated .38 Super IPSC Open gun or the high capacity, long dust cover, .40 Limited.

    On the other hand, you could do very well with the same 1911 in USPSA Limited-10 or Single Stack and IDPA Custom Defensive Pistol or Enhanced Service pistol.
    An IDPA Stock Service Pistol would be an IPSC Production gun, you would just need more magazines for Production.

    IPSC/USPSA is "freestyle" as to where and when to shoot at the targets, IDPA is choreographed to their standards of use of cover and movement.

    Some shoot both and call it all worthwhile trigger time. Others - me included - find that an IPSC approach will get you penalized in IDPA and an IDPA approach will slow you down and reduce your score in IPSC.
     
  5. Sam1911

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    Once upon a time I explained it this way:

     
  6. 1SOW

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    Sam1911 gave a good synopsis.

    Jim Watson also nailed a big difference:
    IPSC & USPSA require to the shooter to plan the stage including when and how to change mags. Some stages require the shooter to be 'in front of' or 'behind' certain positions, but how to get there and in what order are usually determined by the shooter.

    Example: With a wheel gun, you plan the stage with 6 shots, in production/limited 10 class-10rds in the mag, in limited/open class all the rounds the mag can hold. Planning where to reload, lets you avoid the dead time from a standing reloading.

    In other words, the shooter 'choreographs' most/all of the stage not the rule book.

    And finally, there is no requirement 'to show any self-protection' from the targets in IPSC/USPSA other than an occassional 'shoot from behind the barrel/baricade' when engaging these targets.
     
  7. Hk Dan

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    The styles are different, but so are the shooters. I've found IDPA to be more relaxed, quite a bit less competitive, and actively disdainful of gaming.

    Don't get me wrong--I love USPSA, and I LIKE the competitive aspect. Sam's point about choreogrpahy is dead on--IDPA is scripted and USPSA's general philosophy is "Engage targets as they become visible"--free form.

    You'll learn more about your deficiencies as a shooter in USPSA, but you'll do things you may actually have to do in real life in IDPA. What do I mean? Well, if I'm ever confronted by 15 terrorists, 5 mounted on a spinning wheel, 2 that just swing back and forth, and one that turns to face me for a half second then turns away? I'm shooting the 2 closest to the door and running...The former would be a USPSA stage, the latter would be an IDPA stage...<g>
     
  8. The Expert

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    I never took part in a match with either of these organizations but have been interested in it.

    I think I'll explore IDPA from what I read here. I don't see myself in a run-n-gun situation.
     
  9. Hk Dan

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    Expert, Which ever you have closest to you will be good.

    So long as you don't look at the experience as formal training but as practice? You're good togo.
     
  10. Jim Watson

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    +1 as the Internetistas say.

    I shoot IDPA these days but am not dogmatic about it.
    If IPSC/USPSA is closer to you, go for it.
    If both are readily available, check them out and go with the one where you get the best reception from shooters and staff.
     
  11. David E

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    In a nutshell? IPSC is the fun one!
     
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    USPSA is a shooting sport that focus' more on shooting, reloading, problem solving skills( my kind of Sunday cross word puzzle). I use this for fun and to relax. IDPA is a Defensive shooting sport were the focus is more on defensive tactics on staying alive and using your weapon to that purpose. I can use this to train for CCW and life on the streets but I did not find this venue as relaxing but more stressful. Some practice is better than no practice. I think the rules of IDPA can be silly as to type of holsters, types of mags and types of guns to maintain equity for the match. In real life there is no equity on the street. Those who prepare and practice survive while those who count on others may not.
     
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    Yes. Realistic scenarios, like "parking lot attack" where you start with an armload of groceries, with a car to use as cover, targets on rails, etc., are why I like IPSC. Teaches you to move, how to use cover, how to reload fast under pressure. IDPA is all right, but I'm an IPSC fan.
     
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    Both are games. There is the real world which has no rules. Neither prepares you for the real word. The advocates of either one we’ll tell you that it sharpens your basic skills. No matter how sharp you are in either game in the real word you may have a bad day and a quick ending. In either game mentioned at the end of the day you’ll walk away win lose or draw.
     
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    I am a certified IDPA SO, so naturally I like IDPA! Our club also has USPSA and I shoot it each month also. Hell I luv em both ~ they keep me casting, reloading and shooting. The way I see it ~ as long as I'm shooting I am getting better with my gun. Plus being around so many good shooters I have picked up a few good ideas and tips! I think the more you shoot the better you get. Besides gun folk are about the nicest people to be around!

    Going to try a 3 gun match later this summer! And I thought golf was expensive.
     
  16. Sam1911

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    QDM, where do you shoot?
     
  17. Quickdraw McGraw

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    I shoot here!

    Where do you shoot Sam?
     
  18. Sam1911

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    Ha! That's awesome! When you said your club did both I wondered if you shot with Dan and Corey. I SO'd the Independence Match up in Wilkes-Barre this weekend and got to see them and Shannon again -- all did VERY well! (Not that that's a big surprise. :))

    I'm Match Director at West Shore Sportsman's Association just south of Harrisburg. (Here.)

    I do occasionally make it out to Hollidaysburg, but haven't this year. (2 hours+ from home and money and time are both VERY tight these days.) I'll try to get to the night shoot, though. That's always too much fun.
     
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  19. Quickdraw McGraw

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    Yep, I started a year or two ago. I've been trying to help Corey out this year. He's got some other guys who help him but I really like shooting and just wanted to be more involved. As you know even club matches are pretty involved. Some who shoot don't really understand what goes into a match.

    Yep Dan and Corey are good guys! I'm lucky to have this club in my area!
     
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