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Iraqi chemical weapon drone is made of balsa wood and duct tape

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  1. SkunkApe

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    Wednesday March 12, 2003 12:00 PM


    AL-TAJI, Iraq (AP) - A remotely piloted aircraft that the United States has warned could spread chemical weapons appears to be made of balsa wood and duct tape, with two small propellors attached to what look like the engines of a weed whacker.


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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-2474171,00.html

    Yep, looks like you got 'im this time, boys. Better drop a bomb on him afore he flies that killer drone to your house.
     
  2. SquirrelNuts

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    Hummm...duct tape...well, now if you buy duct tape alone are you a terrorist, or do you have to buy plastic sheeting with it too?

    I knew those middle eastern men in Michael's craft store the other day were up to no good. They were leaving towards Home Depot too!

    -SquirrelNuts
     
  3. Wildalaska

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    Iraqi chemical weapon drone is made of balsa wood and duct tape......


    Like my truck :neener:
     
  4. Apple a Day

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    Sounds like one of our old Olympics of the Mind projects. :evil:
     
  5. 243_shooter

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    model aircraft commonly use balsa wood and 'weed eater' style motors..

    many cheap 'auto-pilot' systems are available to keep model aircraft straight and level..

    let's see.. put in 30 minutes fuel.. start 'er up.. put in 25 #'s of nastyness..

    sounds like a down and dirty CHEAP delivery system.

    I can only guess that accuracy / reliability would be terrible _but_ if you can build 'em for $1000......

    Leo
     
  6. ruger357

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    I agree, the scary thing is that they work.
     
  7. mete

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    Some modern aircraft are made with plastic foam covered with fiber composites ( sailplanes as I remember and perhaps our drones) ,natures foam is balsa wood and duct tape works fine as a fiber composite.
     
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    They work, just ask the little neighborhood brats crashed into the carriage house of the Fashionable Bachelor Pad last summer! Little brats.:mad:
     
  9. 243_shooter

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    The materials are readily available from your local hobbyshop to build a composite drone..

    I'd even go so far as to say they could build a 'predator' type vehicle (minus the sidewinders) for less than the price of a compact car..

    The toughest part would be the guidance system, but with a gps kit hooked to a palm pilot and a bit of programming.. Stretching the range out to 100 miles would be easily possible..

    Is the duct-tape / balsa super weapon such a beast? I doubt it.. just bringing up the point that it's very possible.

    Leo

    PS I wonder if it has a french guidance system :what:
     
  10. Kharn

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    Almost every RC aircraft is made from Balsa wood and will have some duct tape on it after some dufus crash-lands it. Of course, you'll never be told that on CNN...

    Kharn
     
  11. buzz_knox

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    Balsa wood and duct tape, huh? So, you're saying that these weapons are cheap enough to be mass-produced (which you would need for a successful attack of this nature), and designed from materials naturally invisible to radar?

    You didn't think this one through too far before deciding to use it to attack the Iraq policy did you?
     
  12. SkunkApe

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    I thought it through far enough to see it for what it is; another fraudulent attempt by the war mongers to justify their goal.

    If this thing can exceed the 93 mile limit, I'll eat my hat. Its guided by eye from the ground, for goodness sake. If that contraption is reason enough to start a war, you'd better bomb me, too. I could build one in my garage this weekend.

    "Watch out..." said the man in the aircraft carrier overlooking his fleet of jet fighters, "...He's got a balsa wood weed whacker killer drone."
     
  13. Unisaw

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    Saddam is a master at manipulating the media and the media are very good at accepting as the gospel truth everything that tyrants tell them. So, could it just be possible that Saddam rolled out a pathetic prototype from years past for the media's consumption?
     
  14. Marko Kloos

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    I kinda have to agree with the "so what?" crowd on this one. A UAV of that size and weight would be next to useless for NBC weapons delivery. I do know a little bit about the subject, having been the company NBC training NCO in my Army unit.

    That thing can't carry a meaningful payload, and it lacks the systems to release that payload in a precise manner. Chemical and biological agents are a very iffy proposition even when delivered with precision, and in sufficient quantities. Such agents get dispersed to ineffective concentrations if they're delivered too high, or in an unfavorable concentration. Most NBC agents are not persistent enough to stick around for very long. Biological and chemical agents are mostly psychological weapons, as their battlefield presence scares the opponents and makes them don protective gear, which hinders their effectiveness and mobility.

    Anything you can strap to a balsawood oversized RC aircraft like that is not very likely to constitute a threat. It lacks capacity or any sort of guidance system for accurate target delivery. It's a bit of a stretch to make those things into anything more than what they are...crude Iraqi attempts to overcome their aversion to losing valuable aircraft or pilots to the Allied air forces.
     
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    You mean there is no wildbalingwireholdingtrucktogetherinalaska :D
     
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    The drone's declared intent was for recon and EW jamming, correct? Now, in today's battlefield, you don't get jamming systems that are effective with small equipment. So, that takes care of the payload question. The delivery system issue is a red herring, as such systems are fairly easy to install. And command/control systems are easy to retrofit. GPS and a basic autopilot, anyone? But then again, the inspectors didn't bother to test it so who knows what the actual command system is.

    Basically, in order to call this a warmonger's hoax, you have to take Saddam's word 100% as to the drone's capabilities. And if you think he's trustworthy, then no evidence will ever convince you otherwise.
     
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    Skunkape, one thing you're perhaps not thinking about - who says that what the Iraqis showed the press is the drone that the Blix report mentioned? Reading of something constructed of balsa wood and tape, I surmise that this could be roughly assembled like this in only a few hours - just enough time to have something to show the press, instead of the real thing.

    We have only the Iraqi's word (that this is the drone Blix referred to) to go on... and judging by their past record of honesty, integrity and upright conduct, I think that if anyone in Saddam's government told me that Monday was the day after Sunday, I would immediately double-check this against the nearest calendar - and if the calendar confirmed it, I'd distrust the calendar!
     
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    Hmmm...

    Weapon made of cheap materials & questionable workmanship, but capable of causing great harm to both the enemy & yourself...

    I didn't know Bryco built airplanes...:scrutiny:
     
  19. Pappy John

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    Looks harmless to you UNTIL you see it over YOUR head!
     
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    It just dawned on me why balsa wood and duct tape seemed so familiar. This is often how initial prototypes or concept models are put together, no? Iraq is showing off only one drone, and hasn't tested it yet. This thing is a mockup of the real bird, not the actual drone itself.
     
  21. Ebbtide

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    You have to "give it up" to those Iraqis.

    We build the "Mother of all Bombs" at who knows what cost, they build a 500.00 model plane to deliver the WMD.

    "It just made of wood, duct tape, and a weed-wacker motor"

    "It is just a simple box cutter, I'm a stock boy"

    Let's just off this clown and get it over with already.
     
  22. SkunkApe

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    Preacherman,

    If we're talking about who's trustworthy here, let me ask a few questions:

    1) Who fabricated the "Iraqis are taking babies of of the respirators" lie during the Kuwait invasion?

    2)Who fabricated the "Iraqis are intentionally dumping oil into the gulf to spoil the environment" story, after their own planes accidently destroyed the oceanfront pipelines?

    3) Ambassador April Glaspie met with Saddam Hussein several days prior to the Kuwait invasion, and granted her country's permission for Iraq to invade. From what country is Glaspie?

    4)Which country financially supported Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war, and now wants to remove him?


    The first casualty of war is truth (can't remember who said that).

    There's a reason that most of the world is against us on this one. Logic and reason are on one side, blind patriotism is on the other.
     
  23. buzz_knox

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    1. The Kuwaitis did. Sorry.

    2. Are you talking about the strike against the pipeline carried out by FB-111s that cut off the flow? Or are you talking about the destruction of pipelines by

    3. Absolute BS. When asked about the oil dispute between the two, she stated that it was between them to resolve. The crap you're dishing comes straight from Saddam.

    4. Who supported him? Hmm. The Israelis, the US, the Russians, the French . . . pretty much everyone. But since he invaded an American ally, only the French, Russians and Chinese have done so.
     
  24. Yohan

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    I found some information about who said that quote.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-21510,00.html

    [In 1918 US Senator Hiram Warren Johnson is purported to have said: The first casualty when war comes is truth. However, this was not recorded. In 1928 Arthur Ponsonby's wrote: The 'When war is declared, truth is the first casualty'. (Falsehood in Wartime) Samuel Johnson seems to have had the first word: 'Among the calamities of war may be jointly numbered the diminution of the love of truth, by the falsehoods which interest dictates and credulity encourages.' (from The Idler, 1758) ]

    Skunkape- your name rhymes with grape, and escape- and also- cape. Keep that in mind.
     
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    ...and crape, a FRENCH pastry:D
     
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