Iraqi chemical weapon drone is made of balsa wood and duct tape

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Duct tape and balsa? Hmmm!

If it used a rubber band to power the propeller it would be like the little toys I played with as a kid. :neener:


If this is true it just goes to show us how desperate those sickos really are. Either that or our B1's & B2's are already obsolete.:barf:
 
Add duct tape to the State Department's list of items to be scrutinized for export. Homeowners and any automobile owner should get a DTL (Duct Tape License) too. So long as the Feds don't ask us to maintain a Duct Tape Log showing the dispensing of duct tape, we won't object.;)
 
This is getting ridiculous, a BALSA WOOD WMD...come on.

Weed whacker engines... lots of noise, and maybe some smoke, and sure as a hell heat signature.

This thing will fly at what... maybe Mach (.10)

Gee... with all that state of the art technology, we'll have to have at least... 3 soldiers using M4 (carbines) to knock it down.

waterdog
 
Waterdog: Shooting the drone down would probably disperse its cargo over the immediate area, not a good situation for those nearby.

Kharn
 
Scud missiles are innaccurate too. Thats why they like to put chemical warheads on em instead of trying to use conventional explosives on pinpoint targets.
This thing doesn't have to be capable of killing 1000 people, in the absolute target area, to be a threat. He doesn't seem to care a whole lot about his own people so he probably isn't above just letting it fly and hoping he gets lucky.

It doesn't have to have a guidance system. Designed right it will just keep on gliding along. The farm I work for had a guy show up once that had been flying a model plane nearby and let it get out of range. He wanted to go look in a field for it. It had continued flying until it ran out of fuel, and then glided in for a crash landing.
 
Assuming it has a cargo.

Really...this has got to be war propaganda.

As each day passes, things are becoming more and more cartoonish.

waterdog
 
Even if it had a small vial of smallpox inside...

It wouldn't have to be a good delivery system. The simple fact that it carried the payload has value all out of proportion to the effectiveness of the weapon onboard. We'd use all sorts of expensive resources to try and find the darned things, pulling those resources away from other tasks in execution of the war. Just like decoy inflatable tanks and jets in revetments, they still manage to draw a bomb or two, and that's ordnance that can't be used elsewhere.

SkunkApe, you mean to tell me those satellite images of trenches outside Baghdad that are filled with oil are just super-dooper Slip-n-Slides for the neighborhood kids? Who woulda thunk? :scrutiny:
 
The guidance system could be as simple as an off-the-shelf RC gyro and failsafe, so that when it loses the transmitter's signal, it flies straight and level. Put some gas in it, take off as normal, then switch off the transmitter and go home.

Cheap and pretty lousy, but if you only have a 1% success rate, you're still not risking much.
 
"SkunkApe, you mean to tell me those satellite images of trenches outside Baghdad that are filled with oil are just super-dooper Slip-n-Slides for the neighborhood kids? Who woulda thunk?" - Gewehr98

Gewehr98, would those satellite images be anything like those that purported to show 600,000 Iraqi troops amassed on the Saudi border just before the U.S. attacked during the gulf war?

Our goverment (the United States) has such a history of lying to the public, its hard to tell what's true and what's not. My take on things:

1) The U.S. supported Iraq and Hussein in the Iran/Iraq war. - True.

2) Ambassador April Glaspie informed Iraq that the U.S. would not intervene in Iraq's territory dispute with Kuwait in 1990. - True, the text of the conversation is readily available.

3) The U.S. claimed they had satellite photos immediately prior to the gulf war showing hundreds of thousands of Iraqi troops massed on the Saudi Arabian border, prepared to invade. This was used as justification to attack Iraq. They got caught in the lie when the Russians RELEASED their own satellite photos, showing almost no troops on the border. - True.

4) Israel has considerable influence over U.S. politics in the Middle East. - Depends on how you define "considerable". Its a fact we give them tremendous amounts of money.

5) The Kuwaitis hired a U.S. PR firm to gain U.S. support for an attack on Iraq in 1990. This firm fabricated the "Iraqis take babies off of respirators" story. U.S. goverment officials collabarated on this story. -True, beyond any doubt.

6) In an effort to further villify the Iraqs, the U.S claimed Iraq deliberately released oil into the gulf on 01/24/91. The cause of the oil spill was later revealed to have been caused by a U.S. air attack on two oil tankers. - True.

7) I heard on the radio that Saddam Hussein tortures his Olympic athletes if they don't win. - True (Can you believe this crap? What happened, are there no more babies to take off of respirators?)

8) I saw on televison a diabolical torture device that Hussein uses to drip acid on his enemies. - True. I saw it on TV, so it must be true.

9) President Bush claimed that he had the "smoking gun" that necessitates the immediate attack on Iraq. This immenent threat was allegedly a fleet of unmanned drones that can drop weapons of mass destruction on the United States and her allies. This terrible weapon has now been revealed to be some piece of junk weedwhacker contraption that I could build in my gagrage this weekend. - True.

10) I think the baby killer story, the oil pollution story, the Olympic athlete story, and the killer drone from outer space story are all U.S. propoganda. -True.

11) Most of the folks on this forum are too blinded by patriotism (or perhaps "nationalism") to see the truth of this matter. Either that, or they're a bunch of over-testosteroned young males with a blood lust for foreigners. - True
 
Please disregard the above post. I changed my mind. I want to kill. I said "kill". Especially foreigners. Especially foreigners that live somewhere near the other foreigners that might have had something to do with the world trade center attack. I want to kill foreigners now. I'm a good U.S. citizen. Please forgive me and don't lock my away without charges in a crappy jail in some far-away U.S. territory without legal representation.
 
excuse me, but who besides the left wing oriented so-called mainstream media actually believe anything the iraqis say? I'd bet you dollars to donuts that any theater stage crew could knock together a mock up like that in an afternoon, given motivation and whatever their beverage of choice was at the time.

Now folks, go back and look at the WWII German V-1. It was a pulse jet engine (in other words the not- ready-for-primetime-ancestor of the ramjet enging) that was controled by a combination of simple timing gears and the fact that it ran out of fuel at it's target.

Now tell me how terribly difficult delivering a payload can be?
 
What I find humorous is Skunkape's believing everything he hears that contradicts what his government is saying. He just wants to feel "elite" and special in his own little insignificant world. But, Skunkape, you are right....these pictures are false and these children were not kiled by Hussein in Halabja, they were killed by an elite team of US Navy Seals cleverly disguised as Iraqi soldiers. Saddam is still overjoyed :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

pictures of dead children removed by moderator
 
I am way past wanting or needing any justification for this coming war. It is time to prosecute it.

Debate regarding who is twisting the truth the most is unimportant at this point.

Terrorists will attack us if we do.
They will attack us if we don't.

Might as well thin their numbers and give them a reason to fear us. They hate us already. That is not going to change.
 
In high school, I made a bridge the approx. size of a quart of milk. Sent it to a contest where they add weight until the bridge collapses. I think the key measure was how much your bridge weighted versus how much it supported before collapse.

The sponsor: Brookhaven National Lab. My bridge weight: 10 ounces. It supported approx 15 POUNDS before collapse. Look again 10 ounces:15 POUNDS. And I still came in at the bottom 1/3 of the entire contest. I looked at the overall results, I was shocked. The guy who won had an unbelievable ratio.

Lesson learned:

1. never underestimate the strength of balsa wood. if engineered correctly, it can be really strong.

2. never underestimate the strength of duct tape...nuff said.

3. never underestimate of balsa wood and duct tape...combined.

Dave Bean
 
1. As Lendringser tried to point out, using something like this to deliver BC weapons would be next to impossible.

2. As others have pointed out, we have no real reason to believe anything Hussein says.

3. As still others have pointed out, our government is not exactly known for its truthfulness, either.

4. Skunkape, you're pointing out some things that should be considered, but your contention that we gave Hussein permission to invade is silly. You're right, that conversation is on record, and it's clear that she said no such thing. She told him that we had no position on the dispute. That clearly means that we were saying we wanted to remain neutral and not favor either side. It cannot be construed to mean "we will not oppose you even if you settle the question by invading Kuwait and annexing it" unless one has a monstrous axe to grind.
 
Two weeks from now we will see if it really was duct tape, or just plain ole packing tape. This thing is about to come to an end.
 
What the hell? Why were the pictures of dead children removed? It's people like Skunkape who wold like to believe that never happened. He probably think Hitler was just misunderstood as well. If you don't learn from the past, you are bound to repeat it. Are you too afraid of the pictures? ***?:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire:
 
Don Gwinn, I reread the transcript of the Hussien Glaspie meeting.

http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/the_new_world_order/glaspie.html

QUOTE -
Transcript of Meeting Between Iraqi President, Saddam Hussein and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie. - July 25, 1990

(Eight days before the August 2, 1990 Iraqi Invasion of Kuwait)

July 25, 1990 - Presidential Palace - Baghdad

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie -

ÒI have direct instructions from President Bush to improve our relations with Iraq. We have considerable sympathy for your quest for higher oil prices, the immediate cause of your confrontation with Kuwait. (pause) As you know, I lived here for years and admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. We know you need funds. We understand that, and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. (pause) We can see that you have deployed massive numbers of troops in the south. Normally that would be none of our business, but when this happens in the context of your threats against Kuwait, then it would be reasonable for us to be concerned. For this reason, I have received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship - not confrontation - regarding your intentions: Why are your troops massed so very close to KuwaitÕs borders?Ó

Saddam Hussein -

ÒAs you know, for years now I have made every effort to reach a settlement on our dispute with Kuwait. There is to be a meeting in two days; I am prepared to give negotiations only this one more brief chance. (pause) When we (the Iraqis) meet (with the Kuwaitis) and we see there is hope, then nothing will happen. But if we are unable to find a solution, then it will be natural that Iraq will not accept death.Ó

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie -

ÒWhat solutions would be acceptable?Ó

Saddam Hussein -

ÒIf we could keep the whole of the Shatt al Arab - our strategic goal in our war with Iran - we will make concessions (to the Kuwaitis). But, if we are forced to choose between keeping half of the Shatt and the whole of Iraq (i.e., in SaddamÕs view, including Kuwait) then we will give up all of the Shatt to defend our claims on Kuwait to keep the whole of Iraq in the shape we wish it to be. (pause) What is the United StatesÕ opinion on this?Ó

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie -

ÒWe have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960Õs, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America.Ó (Saddam smiles)

On August 2, 1990 four days later, SaddamÕs massed troops invade and occupy Kuwait.
-END QUOTE

http://www.cbc.ca/news/indepth/background/gulf_war.html


QUOTE-
Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was stunned by the vehement response. He had expected a casual reaction from the West to his occupation of Kuwait, based on what U.S. ambassador April Glaspie had told him a week earlier, when she said, "We have no opinions on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait."

Angry journalists confronted Glaspie, clutching copies of the transcript of her session with Saddam, accusing her of giving him carte blanche to take over Kuwait. At one of these sessions a rattled Glaspie replied, "I didn't think . . . the Iraqis were going to take all of Kuwait."

Glaspie soon was removed from her post.
-END QUOTE

Its pretty convincing to me. Remember, Hussein had been financially-supported and militarily-equipped for years by the United States. Now their ambassador was telling him the U.S. had "no opinion on your arab-arab conflicts", and that "the Kuwait issue is not assosciated with America".

I'd like to hear your interpretation.
 
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