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Ireland. PLEASE READ.

Discussion in 'Legal' started by sense, Jun 21, 2005.

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  1. sense

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    Hi, i found this site while looking up pictures so i could draw guns fro a sci-fi piece.

    In ireland and the uk, we have no guns. all guns are banned. We are not afraid to walk the streets or feel the need to carry weapons to 'save our familys' this is because in the 6 in 1 million chance that some one did break into our homes, we would be safe in the knowlage that they too, would not be armed.

    If guns are illegal and also very hard to get then not even petty crimanals can get one, so if someone has a gun they are arrested immediatly and there is no harm done. we almost never hear about major robberies or homocide on the news, because if someone trys to rob a bank wiht only a knife, its likely that he wont do any more harm then a minor stab wound before he is caught.

    If there are guns lying around the house your children are at a huge risk. kids are curious, if you say 'NEVER touch that' they arnt listening. or at least they eventually stop listening.

    or if somone is feeling a bit deppressed or angry (we all do occasionly) you are doing the worst thing possibe; arming them..

    we dislike our govenment in ireland too, we watch then like hawks and tease every mistake, but thyre ususally just listening to the majority.

    the movie bowling for colombine is one to watch, even if micheal does try and streach somt things to far. guns are rarely used for protecting anything. only for killing.

    if you have a gun then your attack will too, it just depends whose fastest, and hes the one with no moral consience. isn't it better to have the time to run or call the police then have blood on your hands or pumping from the fresh hole in your chest?

    umm thats all.
     
  2. sense

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    no replys? come on people, prove me wrong..
     
  3. MechAg94

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    As they say, you could fill volumes with what is NOT printed in the news.
     
  4. lunaslide

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    Wow. You know, I've never heard any of those arguments before. I'm glad you graced us with your presence and dropped those words of wisdom into our ignorant little world here. I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say that it's such a brilliant and refreshing take on the subject you have brought to our attention. We will immediately disarm ourselves and fight to rid our country of guns.

    I'll shoot you an email when we're done. Look for it in your inbox any time now...
     
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    Let me get this straight: the IRA never had any guns ...?

    :confused:
     
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    WOW, ALL of thes arguments are so original and ground breaking! You know what, next you should go to a NASA website and talk about how the moon landings might have been faked. I bet they've never heard that either!!!
     
  8. sense

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    Irish news pretty much tends to cover everything. theres only about 4 million people.

    theyre new thoughts for me, i never have to worry about guns.

    the ira's gun stash tended never to be very big, they went more in for petrol bombs, abd the ira was over norther ireland, not the republic, it was also squashed years ago.
     
  9. sense

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    again. New. To. Me.


    besides i doubt you here the irish side specifically very often.
     
  10. MechAg94

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    The "very hard to get" is very hard to do. Great Britain is an island and they still have a lot of illegal guns. Other countries with more easily traveled borders would have a harder time. The IRA certainly has no illegal weopons at all I am sure. :)

    How do you know they have an illegal gun so you can arrest them with no harm done?
    How do you know the same guy won't be back out on the street in a month?

    Finally, if you have no guns, what is to stop several bad guys from breaking into you house, beating you up, and stealing whatever they can take? I am sure those elderly who have been beaten up over there would not have had a problem at all in a world without guns. After all, the police will be there in 5 or 10 minutes or more to take your statement and take you to the hospital.

    A world without guns = Mob Rule. Who lead's the mob is the next question.
     
  11. El Tejon

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    Only 4 million, that's because they all came here after being conquered by my ancestors. :D

    IRA had enormous caches of weapons from USSR, DDR, and PRC, even stolen guns from USA.

    You watch too many inane American movies.

    Welcome to THR. :)
     
  12. TallPine

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    Well, neither do you have grizzly bears, cougars, wolves, coyotes and other predators to contend with. We do, especially out here in the west - it's not a joke.

    I suppose though, that you do still have game birds and shotguns in Ireland?

    No offense, I think Ireland must be a lovely country, especially the rural portions. My ancestry is Scots-Irish, so I have a special feeling for Gaelic-Celtic culture. You all sure have suffered greatly through history at the hands of the English. Myself, I prefer a high-powered rifle to pikes and pitchforks ;)
     
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    Tall, the suffering was done with a higher purpose in mind--ours! :D

    It's good to see some of our conquered subjects know their place and do not bear arms. I just may need to come back and straighten things out again. :cool:
     
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    Prove you wrong, eh? Why should we bother? It's your life, you may live it however you please. If you feel happy and satisfied without access to weapons then what's the problem?


    For what it's worth, I used to think the same things you do:
    "The odds of me being attacked by a criminal are astronomically small."
    "I'll never need a gun to defend myself."
    "I'll be more likely to hurt myself or someone else by accident than to need a gun for defense."

    Then I had an up-close and personal encounter with two criminals. They proved me wrong.
     
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    You must be in a remarkably low crime area, tho that is in itself good news. Not I would guess a city situation tho.

    So - ''they'' would not be armed eh? Well - even leaving guns out of the equation, knives are still very popular! ;)

    Looks like it's summer vacation time folks! :)
     
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    "What about pointy sticks?" :D
     
  18. sense

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    i was gone for a few muinitues, i hope i remmebr all your points..

    the ira has been disbanded, so no, that have no wepons.

    we are not conquered, hence the name 'the republic of irelnd, the irish went to america after a famine not a war..

    im sure there would have been a lot more deaths then just a couple of beatings if there had been guns.

    ill read over again and post again.
     
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    we have'nt got game birds and shotguns in ireland exept in very very rare cases.

    i dont watch many american movies.

    we are an island and there arnt many illegal guns.

    knives are much easier to defend against then guns. and a person wielding a knife is al lot less likely to use it.

    are justice sytem dosnt let people with guns back ont he streets inside a month.
     
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    Yes, a couple of big, strong guys with clubs can be just as deadly to someone without any training.
     
  21. sense

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    pitchforks was 200 years ago, and i live in the capital dublin. the highest crime area in ireland and thats the figure i gave you for it. there is crime, just not gun-crime.
     
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    we dont have gangs, so it probabaly woulnt be big strong guys. unless it was a dealer of some kind and then, you were bloody stupid to get involved in drugs in the 1st place and made then come round.
     
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    Is this a Gaelic word? :D

    The IRA has been confirmed, to the best of my knowledge, to not have destroyed more than a fraction of its arms, some several months ago, which was a major PR problem for Gerry Adams, et al.

    Yes, you were conquered, many times in fact. The Vikings and at least twice by the English, whose policies lead directly to the emigration of the Potato Famine.
     
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    sense,

    Your country has been the focal point of domestic terrorism for years and you want to tell us why you don't need to be armed to defend yourself?

    You might consider the fact that your little Emereld Isle is in the midst of an economic boom. When times turn tough, so do people.

    Hang around and learn you will.
     
  25. El Tejon

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    Most certainly you were conquered and disarmed. I am very happy that you are happy in your defencelessness. The famine was caused by the Corn Laws of your conquerors.

    The IRA says they are disbanded. All kinds of guns were hidden across the RoI during the ToT. No way the communists handed them all in. Despite all kinds of gun laws, the IRA existed for decades.

    How can one speculate that the presence firearms would cause more deaths? That is not borne out by criminal stats here, i.e. murders are higher in places were guns are banned.
     
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