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im young and im trying to type fast. please dont make fun of my typing skills, it proves nothing.
 
You have probably never been to the United States, and are under some illusion that the entire country resembles the wild west of the late 1800’s, with everyone packing and shootouts in the streets at high noon.

The truth is that the vast majority of American gunowners are peaceable, lawful citizens. Private ownership of firearms is our heritage and our right, ever since throwing off the shackles of King George III, and sending the redcoats of his army back to England, retreating in defeat. Our right to keep and bear arms is not subject to negotiation. We are free men who believe in self governance, not ‘subjects’ of some monarch.

We keep arms not only as a deterrence to a tyrannical government, but as a means of self defense against would be predators who would rob, maim, or kill us. Firearms are used in self defense against criminals many times every day, much of it completely unreported, because nothing ‘reportable’ happened. The would-be victim was armed, and the criminal fled. Sometimes it is necessary to shoot the criminal; this also happens every day, and each time, there is one less victim. That’s a good thing.

You also have criminals in your country. They don’t need a firearm to break into a house, terrorize, beat, and sometimes kill the occupants. So without firearms, you are all potential victims, with no effective means to defend yourselves. Ask yourself this: If a 6’ 250 lb thief broke into your grandparents home in the middle of the night, what would keep him from killing them? A phone call? Without a firearm, you are at the mercy of anyone who wishes to do you harm.

You cannot disinvent the firearm. The technology exists and it can be used for good or evil. Fixation on an implement as the cause of crime when that same implement is also used to deter crime is reading only half the equation. I suppose you feel superior or somehow more enlightenend than we coarse Americans. Get back to me when the crime rate in Ireland is zero.
 
we are an island and there arnt many illegal guns.
ha!

knives are much easier to defend against then guns. and a person wielding a knife is al lot less likely to use it.
HA!!

Now that's just plain silly.

Look, pal, if you're happy in a pace without any guns then I'm happy for you. So why do you insist on stirring up arguments with other people in other countries who disagree with you?
 
northern ireland was the focus, not the republic.
the ira did disband.

we won against england without guns.


and um.. i had to mention a new point, terrorism and communism are not the same. the idea of communism is quite noble, they just havnt found many good leaders yet. jus thought id point it out, gun enthusiasts seem to really hate the whole communist thing.

the economic boom is drawing to a close due to inflation rates. thats just capatilism for you..
 
In ireland and the uk, we have no guns. all guns are banned.

In the US, we are still free - more or less...

We are not afraid to walk the streets or feel the need to carry weapons to 'save our familys' this is because in the 6 in 1 million chance that some one did break into our homes, we would be safe in the knowlage that they too, would not be armed.

Explain to me how someone who is ALREADY PLANNING TO BREAK THE LAW is going to refrain from aquiring a black market gun...because its against the law? What are YOU going to do when you are old, sick, injured, recovering from surgery, a child, or a woman, and the burglar doesn't NEED a gun - he can just man-handle you?

If guns are illegal and also very hard to get then not even petty crimanals can get one,

That has worked SO WELL with prostitution, alcohol, drugs, switchblade knives...NOT!

so if someone has a gun they are arrested immediatly and there is no harm done.

You honestly assert that ALL bad guys in the Republic of Ireland are arrested BEFORE they break the law? That your crime rate is ZERO? What - do you have Mistress Cleo on your police force?

we almost never hear about major robberies or homocide on the news, because if someone trys to rob a bank wiht only a knife, its likely that he wont do any more harm then a minor stab wound before he is caught.

A knife, (or club, or fist) can kill you just as dead as a bullet.

If there are guns lying around the house your children are at a huge risk. kids are curious, if you say 'NEVER touch that' they arnt listening. or at least they eventually stop listening.

The accidental death rate for children from firearms is small and has been going down for twenty years. Bicycles, pools, and five gallon buckets present a greater threat to American children than guns. Statistics that at first glance seem to indicate otherwise are slanted by including 16, and 17 year-old gang-bangers shooting each other up as "children" whose death is "firearms related", a sophistry I'm sure you wouldn't want to be fooled by.

or if somone is feeling a bit deppressed or angry (we all do occasionly) you are doing the worst thing possibe; arming them..

Police and soldiers get depressed and angry all the time, yet are trusted with weapons. If you have so little self-control that you can't be trusted with a firearm, you shouldn't have an automobile, kitchen knive, straight razor, or Drano, either. You should be put away.

we dislike our govenment in ireland too, we watch then like hawks and tease every mistake, but thyre ususally just listening to the majority.

So what can you do if they STOP listening? Over here, we can do something!

the movie bowling for colombine is one to watch, even if micheal does try and streach somt things to far. guns are rarely used for protecting anything. only for killing.

That's simply not true. Guns are used for protection over 2 million times a year in this country, usually without a shot ever being fired. Why do you think police and security guards have them?

if you have a gun then your attack will too, it just depends whose fastest, and hes the one with no moral consience.

If someone is attacking me or my family, I no longer have am obligation moral or otherwise to the attacker - even the animals in the fields have horns, teeth and claws - everyone, and everything has the right to try to defend themselves. Plus you conveniently ignore the case where the attacker has a gun ANYWAY, and I don't -

isn't it better to have the time to run or call the police then have blood on your hands or pumping from the fresh hole in your chest?

Where I live, there are some COUNTIES that would rival your ENTIRE COUNTRY in size - sometimes with only 2 to 4 officers to patrol thousands of square miles. Even in the cities it can take 20 minutes to an hour for the police to arrive - by the time they get there, that "fresh hole" won't be so fresh. I have a bad knee - I'm not going to out-run most bad guys, nor should I have to! Few crooks will stand there and let you make a cell phone call, either - they usually TAKE the phone!
 
i am not your 'pal' i am mearly tryng to find out others viewpoints. to Learn.
You have probably never been to the United States, and are under some illusion that the entire country resembles the wild west of the late 1800’s, with everyone packing and shootouts in the streets at high noon.

i ahve been to the usa, i dont think that at all. 600lbs thieves are unlikely to try and kill my grandmother, that wouldnt make sense.

the whole world is not trying to kill you. you just need to see outside the box a little. its why im here. if i undestand your mind then theres no fear of you.

americans span a lot of space. only some of you are corse..
 
i ahve nothing against americans

my second favorite artist is american ^^ jhonen vasquez.

in fact your best export is probabaly geeks and geek ideas.
 
sense,

Ironic that you chose that name. :what:

I'm curious as to why you decided to land right in the middle of a pro-gun forum to share your anti-gun sentiment. I get the whole "Go where the message needs to be heard" thing but coming here to tell us we'd be better off without guns?

Your report card is as follows:

A for effort
A+ for courage
F for planning
F for selecting the appropriate audience for your appeal
F for common sense and logic

While we welcome many different people and many different opinions here, I think you chose to share the most opposable opinion possible.
 
The IRA commited murder, kidnapping, arson and bombing in the name of building a communistic paradise. Terrorism is just a tool for communism.

Noble? Communism noble? Tell the ghosts of the concentration camps in the USSR, China, Southeast Asia. The murder victims of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho, inter alia, etc.

Or, you can tell the many people here at THR that fled communism. They know the motivation of communists and all those that espouse "gun control"; it is people control, just as Lenin said.
 
and um.. i had to mention a new point, terrorism and communism are not the same. the idea of communism is quite noble, they just havnt found many good leaders yet. jus thought id point it out, gun enthusiasts seem to really hate the whole communist thing.

Never has been a Communist regime that DIDN'T involve terror. Your "noble" philosophy has resulted in the deliberate deaths of over 100 million people - EVERY Commie leader, from Lenin to Mao to Castro to Pol Pot to Ho Chi Mihn has had to resort to the deliberate starvation/expulsion/extermination of their opponents, often fellow communists. Worse than Hitler - the single greatest source of death, slavery, and misery on the planet. Or didn't you know that?
 
we are free.

i didnt say because i was against the law, thyre very difficult to get hold of.

drink isnt illegal, we have very, very little prostition

i ment it would be more likely.

but are less likely to

we have no 5 gallon buckets ore pools. and without guns thred be even LESS death. isnt that nice?

our police dont have guns. what is drano?

i dotn think itls likely our govenment will suddenly all simultanously turn into maniacs. perhaps if your presiden wasnt so 'all powerful'.. you chose the system, you can change it.

again our police dotn ahve guns.

i already made that case :/ we are not animals anyway.

if they have no gun, you could probabaly outwit them/ovepower them/run from them/ do almost anything more so then if they do..



that was a long post but i countered ever point ^^
 
fidel castro's cuba is doing fine.

there might have been hope for ho chi mihn's system if you hasnt go involved.

but is not what im here to talk about, it was minor point.

I'm curious as to why you decided to land right in the middle of a pro-gun forum to share your anti-gun sentiment. I get the whole "Go where the message needs to be heard" thing but coming here to tell us we'd be better off without guns?

i saw this board and i had to make the point... i dont plan it..
 
El Tejon,

Yes, but we have better songs ;).

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Actually, the IRA in Northern Ireland is a good demonstration of the futility of gun control. In a tiny geographical area, bounded on two sides by ocean, under martial law (effectively), with random check points and other steps that make the Patriot Act look downright friendly -- I mean we're talking East Berlin circa 1961 -- and yet the IRA had all the guns it ever wanted.

That the violence was as relatively low had nothing to do with the availability of guns, but with the internal discipline of the IRA.

Incidentally, the IRA had its own gunsmiths. It's still unclear if the .50s used in a spate of assassinations a few years ago were Barretts or knockoffs made by the IRA gunsmiths (likely both). I've wondered for awhile where those fellows are selling their wares now that the IRA has allegedly disbanded. Perhaps they've converted their shops into making cute little metal doohickies for the tourists or ergonomic chairs for the IT guys driving the Celtic Tiger.

Up The Banner! Clare Rules!
 
Assaults per 100k people in Ireland - 249.
( http://www.nationmaster.com/country/ei/Crime&b_define=1 )

Assaults per 100k people in the US - 334.
( http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm )

Burgleries per 100K in Ireland - 580
Burgleries per 100K US - 770

So when does the much safer part start?

Edited to add:

Sense said:
fidel castro's cuba is doing fine.

Yes, that is why thousands every year risk using homemade boats crossing the Gulf of Mexico so that they can escape his regime and live in the US. It is a veritable paradise. :rolleyes:
 
200 people per 100k is a lot.

the ira was disbanded. we beat them without guns. there is that key..
 
Perhaps we fear Communism so much....

because societies that revolve around the state as the most important aspect of society tend to fear free thinking citizens that bear arms and have the courage and arms to question it. Communists have a bad habit of disarming the people and then shipping them off to Gulags or just executing them.
 
doubt thats true, my friend was there. he said i was very cool. you just ahve to stop for hitchhikers more. we are thinking of going next year.
 
Well, you continue your little experiment and we'll continue ours. Good luck to you. :)
 
you exicute your criminals.. 'free thinking people who bear arms and question society' and dont use the guns are fine im sure, if they do then thats 'crime'?
 
two ltr buckets?

*we do have pools but they are indoors, public and carefull monitored
 
when we WON it was without guns. minor scuffules and a lot of brain.
 
Judging by the fact that you would even mention tripe like Bowling for Columbine indicates that you are high on the media kool aid about the US.

Come visit sometime and maybe you will be able to think for yourself instead of being such a good little government subject. And if you do come, remember: The places that have the most restrictions on guns are the most dangerous places to be.
 
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