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Is 40 S&W dead or not?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by StationOps, Aug 8, 2019.

  1. LiveLife

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    FYI, I have been using Magpul PMAG Glock 17 magazines in my Glock 22 with 40-9 conversion barrels and they have performed very reliably. They are truly drop free empty or fully loaded.

    They are $10.49 - https://gunmagwarehouse.com/magpul-pmag-17-gl9-9mm-glock-g17-17-round-polymer-magazine.html

    10 pack for $99 - https://gunmagwarehouse.com/magpul-pmag-17-gl9-9mm-glock-g17-17-round-polymer-magazine-2530.html

    21 round PMAG $13.99 - https://gunmagwarehouse.com/magpul-pmag-21-gl9-glock-21-round-magazine.html
     
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  2. km101

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    I don’t think the .40 cal is dead but it does seem to have lost some of its popularity. It seems like many of the police departments that rushed to the.40 cal are now following the military to the newer nines. It seems like in handguns as with rifles, whatever the army adopts becomes very popular for any number of reasons. This appears to have taken away some of the .40 cal’s popularity.
    It’s not dead, but it’s not as robust as it was.
     
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  3. Tallball

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    "Funny you started this thread. I have been looking at police trade in 40 cals at Aim Surplus. They have Gen 3s and Gen 4s for the same $299."

    That is ridiculously cheap for a solid service pistol that was (probably) barely ever shot. Mine had holster wear but the insides were nearly pristine. It's not often you find a deal that good, IMHO.
     
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  4. StationOps

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    Thanks for the constructive comments. It makes the police tradein 40 S&Ws something to think about, although I do like some 45 ACP.

    For now, I'll get a range membership, to better shoot the guns I do have.
     
  5. bob97

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    Give it time. 40s&w will come roaring back as the new hotness in 10 years or so.
     
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    Won't be dead to me until I am dead!

    Everyday carry has been relegated to a 9mm H&K; however, my standard camping/hiking carry has been and always will be my .40 Beretta PX4 with 200 gr Buffalo Bore FN HC.
     
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  7. LiveLife

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    When people talk of advancements made to 9mm bullets, I ask them whether the same advancements were made to 40S&W bullets. :eek:

    OF COURSE THEY DID! :D

    Think about it. Whatever made 9mm bullets "better" for people to feel secure enough to rely on for SD/HD ALSO made 40S&W bullets even better. ;)

    My SD/HD will remain in 40S&W and for my sister/BIL.

    What about my M&P Shield 9mm? Great gun, nice slim package for carry and I can do fast head shots at defensive shooting distances. Oh, you mean it being 9mm? Well, it's much better than my 380Auto TCP 738. :)
     
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  8. ATLDave

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    The (usually unstated, often unrealized-by-the-proponent) assumption of the "9mm is now good enough not to fool with 40 or other more powerful calibers" is that bullet performance is binary - it is either "good enough" or "not good enough." If "good enough" is defined as the FBI protocols, and it's binary, then, yeah, you end up with 9mm as the solvesall answer.

    But the binary thinking is pretty questionable. Let's apply it to another context: baseball. Instead of cartridges, let's evaluate baseball players.* Let's consider two first basemen from history: Lou Gehrig and Mark Grace (the former Cubs first baseman). During his career, everyone agreed Mark Grace was a very good player. His career batting average was over 300, he got MVP votes in at least 4 years, won 4 gold gloves, etc. There is no question that Mark Grace was "good enough" to be a MLB 1st basemen... and teams agreed so much they paid him MLB salaries for 16 years.

    Lou Gehrig was, in virtually every measurable way, a better player. If you doubt it, you could look it up.

    Yet the "good enough" binary assumptions of some would lead a baseball GM (with access to a time machine or a cloned copy of both players) to say, "well, Grace is likely to be cheaper, and he's good enough. Basically, all batters suck - they fail more than half the time to even reach base - so let's just get one that meets the basic standards and call it a day."

    I find this a less-than-compelling line of reasoning.

    * Like cartridges, sometimes even a not-very-good player will get the job done and get the timely hit or bonk one over the fence; conversely, even the best players strike out quite a bit. Similarly, sometimes a .22lr round takes out an assailant, even though we all agree that's not really a very good defensive round; and sometimes an assailant will somehow keep coming after being shot with a rifle (citations for high military decorations often include this as part of the decorate-ee's story).
     
  9. jdc1244

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    I have a CZ 82.

    I have no problem finding 9mm Mak, a round that certainly deserves to be dead.
     
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  10. Palolosj

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    In popularity the .40S&W is right up there with 9x19, .380, .38/.357 and .45ACP. The ammo is priced about half way between 9x19 and .45ACP.
     
  11. Charlie98

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    Meh... for the bottom feeders it is.
     
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    Yes, a P30 in 40 S&W might be interesting. I like my 9x19 P30SK.

    I know the 40 S&W was developed to be compatible with firearms designed for 9x19, but it would be interesting to have a pistol designed specifically for the 40 S&W.

    I have a Sig M1911 chambered for 40 S&W and it is a pussycat but since the M1911 is designed for 45 ACP, it is somewhat a waste of the capabilities of the 40 S&W.

    I have a Beretta M96 and an S&W M&P40 (first generation). Both originally designed as 9x19 pistols. They shoot well but I just do not handle them as well as the 9x19 versions.
     
  13. WestTexShooter

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    Rational thought will tell you why many PDs went away from .40.

    That does not negate the original fundamentals for the round in the first place.

    I believe that, in some sort of iteration, a version of the .40 will reappear within the decade.
     
  14. CDW4ME

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    I've got a PM40 too - I swear it is no more (maybe less) abusive to my hand than a LCP 380
    My chrono averages for at least 5 shots; I think "hard hitting" is applicable, especially given its pocket size.
    180 gr. Federal Hydra-Shok @ 944 fps / 356# KE
    180 gr. Federal HST @ 947 fps / 359# KE
    180 gr. Speer Gold Dot @ 950 fps / 361# KE
    155 gr. Federal Bonded @ 1,086 fps / 406# KE
     
  15. Mike J

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    The M&P was originally designed for .40. Another that was originally designed for .40 was the Sig 229. I keep lusting for the Sig although I don't need one an I'm not really a DA/SA fan. One of these days I may have to pick one up. LEO trade in examples of them can still be found.
     
  16. Tallball

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    My SiG P229 was a police trade-in with substantial finish wear on one side of the slide. I don't care. The slide is stainless steel anyway. It came with the box and three magazine for $280 plus shipping and FFL. It's one of my favorite service pistols. Everyone who shoots it likes it. It's a good pistol for 40 caliber; the recoil is moderate.

     
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  17. Charlie98

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    I think that is one of the keys to .40 S&W success... the correct pistol for the cartridge. My introduction to the .40 was in a Glock 27 sub-compact... one of the worst pistols I've ever fired, with one of the worst triggers I've ever seen on a factory pistol... it turned me off almost immediately to the .40. I don't think it's a good cartridge for compact and/or light pistols, but in a service arm, it's probably pretty reasonable. It's a moot point for me, however... it is very likely I'll never own one, it does not check any boxes for me and would be relatively redundant against my current stable of 9mm and .45ACP pistols.
     
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    My introduction to the .40 was in 2013 when I bought my G23. My very first pistol! I must be a weirdo!:)
     
  19. Omaha-BeenGlockin

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    Bought a NIB 1.0 M&P .40 a while back------mainly because it was dirt cheap also during the last "scare" .40 was still on the shelf while 9mm and .45 (and .22LR) was non-existent.

    It has a decent trigger for a 1.0 and I picked up a couple spare mags when they were on sale-----I don't shoot it much but its fairly accurate and good to go. Still would like to get a .357 Sig barrel for it if I can find one for a decent price.

    So far from dead but not really my favorite either.
     
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    "... it is very likely I'll never own one, it does not check any boxes for me and would be relatively redundant against my current stable of 9mm and .45ACP pistols."

    Agreed. I originally bought one when that was the only service-caliber ammo that was easy to find at stores. I bought a few more only because the police trade-in prices were so ridiculously low. I don't personally have a lot of preference between 9mm, 40, and 45acp.
     
  21. JFrame

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    I'm one of those rare people who did it bass-ackwards...

    I never cared for the 9mm (for no particular reason)... Started out with .45 ACP... Got a couple of .40's in the 1990s when they were taking off (Glock 27 and SIG P229)... Got 9mm conversion barrels for those guns in the 2000s so I could spend cheaper range time... And got my one "high-cap" 9mm (PX4) maybe 7-8 years ago.

    I'm not sure I have a gun I DON'T like. But when I think of a SHTF gun, and I can only grab one with accessories -- either the Glock or SIG with both barrels comes readily to mind... :)
     
  22. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    10mm is making a comeback as of late. We are getting cheaper ammo (now in .357 mag price points) and getting more guns chambered in it. Ruger and Smith both brought forth 10mm revolvers this year and people will want to shoot the cheaper .40 cal cal round in their wheel guns. Some people even shoot .40 in their 10mm autos whether this is good practice or not I don't know. I don't think it's going anywhere but its appeal certainly has waned. Everyone wants a 9mm now or if they must go bigger they used to go .45 but now go 10mm. It will be here forever I feel and cops will probably move back to .40 when 9mm fails to stop a bad guy again at some point in time.
     
  23. cslinger

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    “I think that is one of the keys to .40 S&W success... the correct pistol for the cartridge.”

    ABSOLUTELY!!!

    The SIG P229 and P239 in .40 is a match made in heaven.
    The HK USP/USPC/P2000 in .40 is a match made in heaven.

    The Glock 27/23..........NOTSOMUCH. :). (And I like Glock 9mm’s)
     
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    I have an S&W M&P357. I do not drag it out much but it does have a bit more punch over the 9x19. A 357 Sig barrel would be a good addition to an M&P40.

    I have installed Apex trigger improvements in my 1.0 M&P's.

    I reload 38/45 Clerke for my M1911s so reloading the 357 Sig is not big deal for me.
     
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    Fad status is over. That's all.
     
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