Is a gun always loaded?

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Is a gun always loaded?

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  2. No

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  1. Gryffydd

    Gryffydd Member

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    This is a very simple question, with a very simple answer. Or it at least so it would seem, yet I've seen a number of arguments break out over it.
     
  2. jbkebert

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    A gun is always loaded until you check the chamber and magazine yourself. Then it is still treated as if it were loaded. No exceptions to this rule
     
  3. MaterDei

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    I disagree with jbkebert, respectfully.

    A gun should be treated as if it is loaded until it is unloaded. If I pick up a firearm and verify that it is unloaded then until I no longer have immediate control of the weapon then it is unloaded. It can now be treated differently than a loaded gun.

    I don't always treat a gun like it is loaded. It's not practical to do so. For example, when I field strip some of my guns you have to pull the trigger to do so. Do I point it at my head and pull the trigger? Of course not. But I do pull the trigger inside my house which I wouldn't do with a loaded gun. Therefore I do treat it different than I would a gun that was loaded.
     
  4. WardenWolf

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    Depends. I have a pistol I know is unloaded. I've checked it, and I know it's clear and safe. Therefore, it's safe to practice with it in my home. However, I still take care to ensure it's not pointed at anyone. I treat it as unloaded for purposes of handling, but not for purposes of muzzle discipline.
     
  5. Auburn1992

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    Too many gray areas here to answer with a yes or no.
     
  6. Isher

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    Always, always, always.

    Until you eject clip and/or open action & empty the weapon of cartridges, then verify that both the chamber and cartridge storage are empty.

    And even then don't trust it.

    When I was a 14 year old kid, a good friend of mine accidentally shot and killed his younger brother with an "unloaded" pump .22 LR. This tragedy led to permanent major psychological problems, and his own suicide at age 21.

    'Nuff said

    isher
     
  7. Titan6

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    Nope, but it should always be treated that way. If you find one that does not run out I want it.
     
  8. gyp_c2

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    well...

    ...yes...
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  9. easyrider604

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    This is exactly why all guns are always loaded. If every gun handler took this simple rule to heart, no person will get hurt or killed through accidental discharge.
     
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  10. Rockwell1

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    I answered yes because if we always treat the gun as loaded then practically it is always loaded, even if that’s not always literally true. My rule is if it’s not disassembled it’s loaded
     
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    I aggree with Auburn1992 and Mike the Wolf. Once I checked it and I have verified that it is empty I treat it differently. However, I still practice not pointing the muzzle at anyone and general safety.
     
  12. dobrzemetal

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    If you treat guns as always loaded, it means you will never have to say your sorry, basically. Its just a fundamental rule to use when you own firearms, you should practice it as well as teach it to others. Don't be a retard, be safe.
     
  13. SquirrelNuts

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    To me, it is a moot point. I treat all guns as if they are always loaded, whether there is any ammunition in it or not.
     
  14. R.W.Dale

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    Even partially disassembled guns are always pointed at things and in directions that I wouldn't feel too bad about getting a bullet hole
     
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    I have a Rock Island 1911 compact. I have snap caps in it. If I take it out of the case and pull the trigger a few times I always drop the magazine first and make sure that the snap caps are what is in it, and I live by myself. A gun is always loaded.
     
  16. crebralfix

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    Always handle guns with respect and caution.

    No more need be said, though there are many people who will insist otherwise. Unfortunately, they're convinced the rest of the world is comprised of only children who require many rules.

    Whether or not they are loaded depends upon whether or not they are actually loaded. Those who insist guns are always loaded are glossing over the fact that guns, indeed, can be unloaded by the user. Unloaded guns can be safely handled in certain ways that loaded guns cannot.

    A clear example of this is for cleaning and maintenance. Sometimes, the user must place a body part in front of the muzzle. A person who has handled the weapon with respect and caution, verified its loaded status and removed all ammunition from the area may safely push a cleaning rod down the bore. Stating that guns are always loaded would mean that cleaning and maintenance is not possible.

    Respect and caution...that's all that's needed. Doing otherwise results in casual handling because the "always loaded" rule is violated. Break the rule once and the user can become acclimated to breaking the rule frequently. At some point, the rule will be broken when the user is not handling the weapon with respect and caution.
     
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    Is this a trick question?

    Yes. A gun is always "loaded"...

    The rest of you flunked.

    Les
     
  18. wankerjake

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    They should always be treated as they were loaded, but they aren't always loaded. That is why you check. Fella behind the counter of the gunshop today swept me with my pistol after I showed him it was unloaded. I knew it was unloaded and so did he, but it still pissed me off. It is always the unloaded gun that accidentily kills somebody.
     
  19. Gryffydd

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    So I take it that those of you who answered yes never practice dry firing with your handguns unless you're at the range?

    What's so funny about this question is that tree is NO gray area. A gun is very obviously not always loaded. Yet the idea of treating a gun as if it's loaded is so ingrained in peoples minds that they'll ignore the obvious reality that a gun is not always loaded. I think that the behavior that this prompts is a good thing, I just think it's interesting that it makes people pick a false answer in an online poll, and apparently never diassemble their Glocks or practice their trigger technique.
     
  20. JohnBT

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    Of course a gun isn't always loaded. When it's unloaded it obviously isn't loaded.

    The rule says to always treat a gun as IF it was loaded.

    For instance, when I go to the gun show tomorrow I will have an unloaded gun with me. The officer at the door will check it to be certain it is unloaded and put a zip tie on it. The gun is unloaded.

    Unloaded or not, the rule says I shouldn't run around the gun show pointing my unloaded gun at people; I should treat it as IF it was loaded.

    Perfectly clear and easily understood.

    John
     
  21. The Freeholder

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    Here's how I look at it. If the gun is in firing condition, it's always loaded. If it's broken down so that it can not possibly fire (the bolt is removed, for example), then I can go with unloaded. Yeah, there's no gray area--that's because your first mistake may be your last.

    And don't even get me started on the lack of muzzle discipline at gun shows and shotgun ranges. Sheesh.
     
  22. Isher

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    OK, all. I can maybe see why the OP of this thread asked the question.

    Me, early on I had a very bad thing with a friend and classmate which marked my life.

    Now, I'm not gonna turn this into a poll or some other horse****,

    But I will ask all of you to be totally honest with yourselves, and,

    Sitting alone by yourself

    Make a list of personal AD's or close calls you have (inadvertently, of course) had in your shooting career.

    I've had them, you have had them; denial is to reject root cause analysis of just why it happened, so it will never happen again.

    isher
     
  23. Kind of Blued

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    The correct answer is "no", but I prefer to, and choose to be wrong.
     
  24. threefeathers

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    Always, and treated as such.
     
  25. RobertCohn

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    The weapon is to be treated as loaded at all times, even if the chamber is checked and you physically see the rounds or casings fall out. The reason for this is akin to muscle memory: training yourself to automatically ACT as if a weapon is loaded at all times (even though you know it is not) will ensure that an accidental discharge will never happen because you handled it otherwise. Closely related to ACTING as if a weapon is always loaded is never putting your finger in the guard until ready to fire and always pointing the weapon in a safe direction.
     
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