Is Illinois getting anywhere with carrying a gun.

[DonP]

The momentum is swinging away from Chicago very quickly by political standards. Don't expect Rahm or Chicago to embrace CCW, but look for him to quietly drop the Chicago $$$ lawsuits and accept the inevitable.

Just last year there's no way the media would have even reported a story like this.

http://www.cinewsnow.com/news/local...rom-concealed-carry-supporters-151981475.html

Civil Rights Organization (NAACP) hears from concealed carry supporter (Otis McDonald)

By Paul Strater
May 17, 2012 Updated May 17, 2012 at 10:22 PM CDT

PEORIA, Ill -- It was a case of politics making for strange bedfellows Thursday night in Peoria. A person supporting concealed carry of firearms speaking at a meeting of the NAACP. Otis McDonald was the lead plaintiff in the landmark Supreme Court case that overturned the City of Chicago's de facto ban on handguns.

A diverse crowd packed the association's downtown Peoria headquarters and even included a local tea party activist. McDonald told the crowd how the court's decision in his favor was explained to him.

"June 28, 2010, the Supreme Court said Otis, you're right. He then said the law in Chicago that says you cannot have a gun in your home for self protection, that is wrong. But it will be no more," said McDonald.

The chapter's president says he felt it was important for his membership to hear all sides of the issue.

"We wanted to bring the issue to the people of the City if Peoria so they could make up their own minds as to whether or not concealed carry is good for the people of the State of Illinois and therefore the City of Peoria. So that's the reason we wanted to invite Mr. McDonald down to talk about it," said Donald Jackson.


The issue enjoys broad downstate support in both parties.


For the second year in a row we had around 10,000 people in Springfield for I-GOLD in March and several "Chicago" based votes are being changed based on "Town Meetings" in different neighborhoods like Chatham, Pilsen and Englewood. We lost by 6 votes on CCW, veto override and state wide preemption. We're down to needing only 3 votes now.

It's fortunate for some of your states that you didn't have quitters like some of here seem to be when it came up for a vote.

"Just move", that's great advice and so constructive.

 

[fehhkk]

Wow, it's incredible that the NAACP would actually even consider this. This is good.

 

[denton]

You have to remember that the early "gun control" laws were specifically designed to disarm the blacks. In Chicago, they were designed to disarm people who might resist union enforcers.

Condoleeza Rice speaks very forcefully about the fact that her father needed and had a personal firearm.

Heller and McDonald will slowly come into full force over the next decade or two. It will take scores of lawsuits to undo the worst of our gun laws. In the end, I expect that nationwide laws like California's that forbids the purchase of firearms not on the approved list, and Illinois' FOID card will go the way of the dodo. It will take time, but it will happen. And Chicago will probably resist and block at every opportunity.

One of my adult daughters went to DC for a get-together with women her age in her husband's family. One of them practically fainted when it came up that she has a gun at home. A lot of people in metropolitan cultures learned all they know about guns by watching TV and going to the movies. If you think about it, most action film plots revolve around a bad person doing bad things with a gun, and an official person with a gun setting things right. On the screen, ordinary people don't have guns. Guns are reserved for criminals and the police and military. And cowboys who lived more that 100 years ago. And Indians.

 

[floorit76]

I heard Otis speak at IGOLD a few years ago. He is a soft spoken fellow, but gets his point accross well enough. I'm glad to see that the NAACP gave him the opportunity to speak. The black comunity fell for gun control hook line and sinker for a long time, but they are starting to see the light. Another IGOLD speaker from this year was a black lady that had been dragged into an abandoned house by a group of men, she jumped out of a 2nd story window to escape the assult. She later decided to buy a gun to prevent similar situations in the future. She later had to use that gun in a home invasion. These folks are wonderful embassadors for our cause in comunity's that normally are pretty anti gun. I hope they keep up the good work.

 

[KevinR]

Indiana here, it is a pane to have laws so different just a stones throw away.

 

[Warp]

Pain.

 

[mdauben]

Indiana here, it is a pane to have laws so different just a stones throw away.

I know! I still have friends and family in IL. When I go to visit I can carry as I drive through AL-TN-KY-IN but as soon as I hit the IL border I need to disarm. Stupid IL.

 

[Warp]

I grew up in Lake County Indiana. I could be in downtown Chicago in 45 minutes with good traffic.

What a night and day difference it was to drive west.

 

[Trad Archer]

I have turned down opportunities to bowhunt whitetails in Illinois just because I refuse to spend a dime in that state. Chicago can sink into Lake Michigan for all I care.

 

[armoredman]

I was stationed in Chicago back in 86-87 at Great Mistakes. I spent some time wandering Rush Street, and up across the border to Sunny's bar. Being in the Navy, I wasn't worried about carrying - there was no possible way I could get a legal firearm on base/in the state, so it didn't even cross my mind. I just couldn't stand that city. Never really made it "downstate" to see the rest of the place, so, yes, my IL experiences are 99.9% Chicago based.
As for hang in there, YES...here in AZ we have a far different culture when it comes to firearms, because we had basically unrestricted open carry since the place had the signs put up over 100 years ago. BUT, we had never had CCW, and nobody figured we ever would, until some guys with Brassroots and other local organizations like our current champion, AZCDL, and voila! We had CCW in 1994. 16 years later in 2010, we had Constitutional Carry, and the laws get better each year. Once you GET that ball rolling, KEEP PUSHING!
BTW, sorry, I just can't let this one go...

.. in fact NOT as important as having a "rich" restaurant culture and winning sports teams.

You mean other than baseball, right?

 

[JTHunter]

If those of you in Illinois want to have a "show of force" in an effort to effect a change, you might want to consider going to the IGOLD rally which should be sometime next March.

Last year, they estimated over 8500 people were at the rally. It pleases me to tell you that, not only did I go and march the 8 blocks from the Convention Center to the Capitol Building, so did my 83 y.o. mother!

If she can do it, YOU can too!

Here's a link to the video shot by the local TV/radio station.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=wODJ4CAPbbg

(At 1:38-1:43, look in the upper left corner for a woman with light gray hair in a white jacket. That's her!)

 

[Trent]

Supermajority is needed to pass with home rule AND get past the Governor's veto (Quinn isn't gun friendly: http://www.wbez.org/story/quinn-thr...ry-bill-if-general-assembly-approves-it-86011)

This means it needs 71 votes to pass. It got 65.

Last year the chips fell as follows. House vote on concealed carry:

* By party
Party, yes, no, present
Democrats, 14, 49, 1
Republicans, 51, 3, 0

* By region
Region, yes, no, present
Chicago, 1, 30, 1
Chicago suburbs, 25, 20, 0
Downstate 39, 2, 0

Where's the 6 votes we need? Only 2 downstate. Which means at least 4 more of the votes need to come from the suburbs (tough) or Chicago proper (even tougher.) There's only 3 republicans which voted against it, so even if they're brought in line, that still leaves 3 more Democrats that have to be "flipped."

Also, note the balance of power:

Chicago: 32 votes
Chicago Suburbs: 45 votes

Chicago area votes: 77 votes
Downstate votes: 41 votes


What's the answer? It's sure as hell not downstate. We can march every day in Springfield and not make one bit of difference to the outcome of this.

If iGold wants to do something that'll get attention, shut down the damn streets of downtown Chicago with 9,000 people marching, with their voices echoing off the buildings. Let your voices bounce off the windows of the mayor's lofty office in the sky.

March in the suburbs, where those swing votes are that we so desperately need.

Marching in Springfield is a waste of time. Might as well be spitting in the wind.

 

[beatledog7]

Major metropolitan areas drove the 2008 and 2012 Presidential election results, and that trend will only deepen. It's no accident that big city voters control entire states.

 

[mgkdrgn]

I'm from Illinois and is wondering if the state is trying to make progress on citizens being able to get a ccw.

he he he, hahahahhha, hehehe

no

 

[Deanimator]

If iGold wants to do something that'll get attention, shut down the damn streets of downtown Chicago with 9,000 people marching, with their voices echoing off the buildings. Let your voices bounce off the windows of the mayor's lofty office in the sky.

That's not likely to accomplish much besides getting you beaten half to death by the Chicago Police Department.

Face it, Illinois is a lost cause.

You've got a better chance of getting chit'lins declared the national dish of Saudi Arabia.

Maybe in 10-15 years when Chicago has gone bankrupt, has no more social services and starts hemmorhaging population, downstate will have the vote count. Until then you are and will continue dancing to the Daley/Emmanuel tune.

 

[floorit76]

 

[mg.mikael]

Maybe in 10-15 years when Chicago has gone bankrupt...

Actually Chicago is already bankrupt and so is the state, with hundreds of millions in unpaid loans and pensions calling it 'debt' is an understatement. Yes while they haven't officially declared bankruptcy in the courts, it's only a matter of time before that formality is met.

Yet people never seem to learn that re-electing the same criminals into office solves nothing. Oh well, can't fix stupidity(or the public schools).

 

[Deanimator]

Actually Chicago is already bankrupt and so is the state, with hundreds of millions in unpaid loans and pensions calling it 'debt' is an understatement. Yes while they haven't officially declared bankruptcy in the courts, it's only a matter of time before that formality is met.

When the freebes are gone and there is NEITHER work nor welfare, population will decline and you'll have a shot... but NOT before then.

 

[mg.mikael]

When the freebes are gone and there is NEITHER work nor welfare, population will decline and you'll have a shot... but NOT before then.

You hit that right on the nail, hopefully the state won't be given anymore loans and the hand-outs dry up. Then it's only a matter of time before the bums and riff-raff go elsewhere for their so called "welfare".

 

[larryh1108]

IL has been politically corrupt for over 100 years. Look at how many recent govenors have served prison time. The only way to get a bill passed is to pay all of the people who do the voting. I don't think there is enough money to pull that off.

 

[Deanimator]

You hit that right on the nail, hopefully the state won't be given anymore loans and the hand-outs dry up. Then it's only a matter of time before the bums and riff-raff go elsewhere for their so called "welfare".

My educated guess would be California, which is already to 2012 America what Bavaria was to 1919 Germany, namely a collecting point for all of the ultra-leftwing and ultra-rightwing whackjobs in the country.

 

[spm]

Missouri is next door. We have both open and vehicle carry without a permit and concealed carry with. Always looking for more enthusiasts to help in the polls. I'd even introduce you around.

 

[Trent]

I've got friends enough in Missouri, and Indiana both.

Problem is uprooting my family and business. My business isn't portable (datacenters), I need to be close to my servers.

Until I open a branch in Missouri, anyway. I hear you have some really nifty nuclear missile comm bunkers down there that are up for sale. Would make a neat hardened datacenter someday. Plus, I wouldn't need to ever worry about "bugging out" if a thermonuclear weapon could go off over my head without it causing a ripple in my coffee cup.

 

[Cactus Jack Arizona]

Yeah, you shouldn't hold your breath waiting for this to happen.

 

[Deanimator]

Missouri is next door. We have both open and vehicle carry without a permit and concealed carry with. Always looking for more enthusiasts to help in the polls. I'd even introduce you around.

I went to college in Missouri and have relatives there (whom I haven't seen in forty years). I like Ohio, but if I could find a decent IT job there, I'd move.