Hokkmike
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Is it feminine to be prepared to defend yourself?
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I voted that it is, but I really don't see what being prepared to defend yourself has to do with being feminine. I don't see how having a weapon close at hand adds or detracts from a woman being feminine.
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Hairpin M'berg870
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Yeah, thats where I was goin with that lol
DMK
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sfhogman
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Only if you equate feminity with helplessness.
Igloodude
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If it is, then where did the meme about a mother defending her cubs come from?
No, the capability for self-defense or defense of loved ones has no gender overtones.
No, the capability for self-defense or defense of loved ones has no gender overtones.
Nightcrawler
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"Feminine" is choosing a nice Ladysmith or CZ-P01 with custom wood grips that bring out her eyes as a carry gun. Beer drinking men with no style carry Glocks. 
Uppity German Beer drinking men with no style carry HKs.
Seriously though, I don't associate being able to defend oneself as a masculine or feminine trait. It's just as necessary for survival either way.
Now, if I was out with a ladytype (in some bizarro parallel universe where that could happen) and some masked bandit attempted to accost us, my first instinct would be to push her behind me and pull out the carry gun.
However, if she had a carry gun of her own, I certainly wouldn't feel emasculated. I'd be happy to have the back up, actually.
Some guys are insecure, though. You know, like those types that NEVER let the woman drive, even if it's HER car, a purple New Beetle with flowers in it that smells like body spray? I don't understand that, myself. I don't think of being that domineering as being masculine. I think of it as being a jerk, personally.
Uppity German Beer drinking men with no style carry HKs. Seriously though, I don't associate being able to defend oneself as a masculine or feminine trait. It's just as necessary for survival either way.
Now, if I was out with a ladytype (in some bizarro parallel universe where that could happen) and some masked bandit attempted to accost us, my first instinct would be to push her behind me and pull out the carry gun.
However, if she had a carry gun of her own, I certainly wouldn't feel emasculated. I'd be happy to have the back up, actually.
Some guys are insecure, though. You know, like those types that NEVER let the woman drive, even if it's HER car, a purple New Beetle with flowers in it that smells like body spray? I don't understand that, myself. I don't think of being that domineering as being masculine. I think of it as being a jerk, personally.
Geronimo45
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Might be construed as non-feminine for a lady to defend herself from an ultra-Victorian standpoint... maybe. I don't consider it such. A lady's ladylike (or feminine, if you prefer) when she acts like a lady ought - which, IMO, is a combination of morals and manners. I don't consider self defense (with or without a gun) to be a moral ill in any sex - nor the preparations to do so successfully.
ReadyontheRight
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Yes. Especially if you are a feminine human.
Ben Shepherd
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Self defense doesn't really seem to be a natural thing in most women I know. Pure survival instinct/will to live sure. But the self defense thing just doesn't seem to be wired in.
Yet the same women that would run or cower from danger to themselves are a hellfire and brimstone blizzard when it comes to thier kids/loved ones.
Example: When our little german shorthairs were about 2 months old, a dog belonging to our neighbors son(golden retriever) came around the fence after the pups. Now, prior to us owning the pups, my wife just came in the house when said dog was over at the neighbors, as it had acted aggresively towards her several times.
This time however, she was between that dog and the pups before I even moved 3 feet, and she was having none of it!! WHOLE different attitude towards that dog. I figured I was about 2 seconds from a lot of trouble we didn't need. The neighbor happened to come out just as the dog started advancing at a slow, growling crawl towards the wife, and she was in the motion of gripping the butt of her pistol when the neighbor called off the dog.
By the time the situation was all sorted out, the niegbors and myself are ok relationship wise, but that dog is NEVER out of the house off a leash.
I think women, just like men, run the whole spectrum: Clear from the "help me, help me" type to zeena the warrior princess.
I guess I would say in general: self defense? Not really. Protective maternal instinct? Absolutely.
Yet the same women that would run or cower from danger to themselves are a hellfire and brimstone blizzard when it comes to thier kids/loved ones.
Example: When our little german shorthairs were about 2 months old, a dog belonging to our neighbors son(golden retriever) came around the fence after the pups. Now, prior to us owning the pups, my wife just came in the house when said dog was over at the neighbors, as it had acted aggresively towards her several times.
This time however, she was between that dog and the pups before I even moved 3 feet, and she was having none of it!! WHOLE different attitude towards that dog. I figured I was about 2 seconds from a lot of trouble we didn't need. The neighbor happened to come out just as the dog started advancing at a slow, growling crawl towards the wife, and she was in the motion of gripping the butt of her pistol when the neighbor called off the dog.
By the time the situation was all sorted out, the niegbors and myself are ok relationship wise, but that dog is NEVER out of the house off a leash.
I think women, just like men, run the whole spectrum: Clear from the "help me, help me" type to zeena the warrior princess.
I guess I would say in general: self defense? Not really. Protective maternal instinct? Absolutely.
jfh
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Try it again, Pax--do this:
I don't think we have conditional branching for polls do we--so do 4 questions, so to speak
Gender of responder: Male or Female (responder selects)
Female
Now ask your question, and see what correlations you get.
Jim H.
I don't think we have conditional branching for polls do we--so do 4 questions, so to speak
Gender of responder: Male or Female (responder selects)
Female
Now ask your question, and see what correlations you get.
Jim H.
svtruth
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I voted yes
Because I see the ability to defend herself extending to being able to (and willing to) defend her loved ones. And that seems very maternal/feminine.
Because I see the ability to defend herself extending to being able to (and willing to) defend her loved ones. And that seems very maternal/feminine.
It is cross gender to defend one's self, neither a feminine or masculine trait in any species of which I can think that resorts to self defense. Of course self defense can be running, hiding, freezing, complying, fighting and so on. Whether or not you take any such action is not a feminine or masculine attribute, but is a survival trait.
SolaScriptura139
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Pax, could you edit the original post with the rephrasing, because I voted "no" based on the wrong thought line. I don't think it makes a woman any less feminine, but it does empower women. All feminists ever talk about is empowering women, but it seems the vast majority are anti-gun. Doesn't make sense to me that people who are all about women's lib would support laws that make women helpless.
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If anything the argument I hear most from the people I know is that using a firearm for self defence is not masculine. Apparently a real man would use his fist to defend himself from armed carjackers or gang violence. When I ask if a real man uses hands to dig a hole or hammer a nail I get blank looks.
Seems a use of a firearm for defence has little to do with being either masculine or femine.
Seems a use of a firearm for defence has little to do with being either masculine or femine.
PAX:
Let me put it this way, if I were a single man, and I had equal options of one lady who was "Miss Priss", and lady number two who was "Miss Oakley", well, "Miss. Priss" would be sitting painting her mails on Saturday evening while "Miss Oakley" and I would be at the range, then to a movie and dinner.
Doc2005
Let me put it this way, if I were a single man, and I had equal options of one lady who was "Miss Priss", and lady number two who was "Miss Oakley", well, "Miss. Priss" would be sitting painting her mails on Saturday evening while "Miss Oakley" and I would be at the range, then to a movie and dinner.
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phoglund
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An interesting question if taken in the spirit it was asked. A woman prepared to defend herself may be taken to mean a "strong" woman. Meaning "strong willed", "physically strong", or "independant". Many men feel threatened by such a woman and therefore may think of them as "less feminine". Personally I find a woman prepared to take personal responsibility for her own protection far more interesting and attractive than a woman who is oblivious to possible danger or assumes somebody will come to her rescue when needed.
My question in return: Does an independant prepared woman think a man who fears strength of body, mind, and spirit in a woman masculine or just insecure?
My question in return: Does an independant prepared woman think a man who fears strength of body, mind, and spirit in a woman masculine or just insecure?
I am married to a tall blonde lady that looks as good in a police uniform with a nickle plated .38 in a high ride holster, or a cowboy hat and chaps with a pistol belt hangin' her hip, as she does in a black cocktail dress with a Colt auto in her purse.
She is gregarious, foxy, self assured, and deadly if she or or a loved one is in danger. She is respected by all who know her.
We've been married for nearly 40 years, and there has never been a moment since I have known her, even when smeared with manure and afterbirth, that I would say she was not a wonderful, feminine creature.
BTW, she could probably drop me on my butt if I did!!!
She is gregarious, foxy, self assured, and deadly if she or or a loved one is in danger. She is respected by all who know her.
We've been married for nearly 40 years, and there has never been a moment since I have known her, even when smeared with manure and afterbirth, that I would say she was not a wonderful, feminine creature.
BTW, she could probably drop me on my butt if I did!!!
MrPeter
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I think you could have given us more choices:
a Yes, self-defense is feminine
b Yes, a woman who defends herself can still be feminine
c No, self-defense cannot be associated with gender
d No, a woman who defends herself is not feminine
e No, self-defense in inherently masculine
I would have to vote C or B. There are some ways that women can portray themselves in a very militant-like fashion in many ways, including effectively protecting themselves, subtracting from their femininity. (Ex: The female drill sergeant from "In The Army Now". Maybe not the best example, as she, at least to me, was still sort of feminine.) However, the fact that a woman can defend herself alone does not make her less feminine.
Furthermore, I would ask the question, if a feminine man can effectively defend himself, does that make him less feminine? I would almost be inclined to say, that in today's society, and in the vast majority of scenarios, yes it would.
a Yes, self-defense is feminine
b Yes, a woman who defends herself can still be feminine
c No, self-defense cannot be associated with gender
d No, a woman who defends herself is not feminine
e No, self-defense in inherently masculine
I would have to vote C or B. There are some ways that women can portray themselves in a very militant-like fashion in many ways, including effectively protecting themselves, subtracting from their femininity. (Ex: The female drill sergeant from "In The Army Now". Maybe not the best example, as she, at least to me, was still sort of feminine.) However, the fact that a woman can defend herself alone does not make her less feminine.
Furthermore, I would ask the question, if a feminine man can effectively defend himself, does that make him less feminine? I would almost be inclined to say, that in today's society, and in the vast majority of scenarios, yes it would.
XavierBreath
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No. One of the most beautiful women I ever knew was a 4th Dan in Taekwondo, as well as a national champion. She was probably the most intelligent and accomplished prize fighter I ever met. She later attained her PhD in Theology, but when we dated, I often took flack for my girlfriend's bruises and occasional black eyes. Few people realized that she could absolutely whip my tail in under 30 seconds.
Attractiveness goes hand in hand with self confidence. Self confidence is based on the ability to protect oneself. Without that ability, the attractiveness is just as hollow as the self confidence. The lack of self confidence and the inability to defend oneself are almost absolute turn offs for this man.
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