Vern Humphrey
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Only by the ignorant, such as the people who think "cordite" is a synonym for "smokeless powder."
Is it illegal/unwise to modify pistol ammo?
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Only by the ignorant, such as the people who think "cordite" is a synonym for "smokeless powder."
Ed Ames
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Yep... I remember when "gang bang" meant group rape... and then in the 80s some TV news idiot decided "gang banging" meant being a blood, krip, or other street gang member. I fought the term "gang bangers" to describe gang members for years... but it was a lost cause. That was 20+ years ago and it still rankles so I can sympathize with your fight against the pejoration of "dum-dum"... but the fight is over... we lost... I lost 20 years ago.. you lost 75 years ago... our words don't mean what we want them to mean. It's time to move on, fight new fights.. maybe we can stand our ground on Silly, which once meant "blessed"... no, people would think you were being silly to even bring it up. Maybe we can reclaim "facility" to describe ability rather than a place for doing stuff. Or turn "fact" back to its meaning of "action" or "evil deed" instead of this modern corruption into "thing that is known." And we should be correcting anyone who says "sideburns"... the word is actually "burnsides."
Sorry to laugh, but words change meaning every time they get used... and humanity would suck (used in the sense that became common in the 1970s) if that weren't fact.
To address the OP's question... making or posessing dum-dums may actually be illegal where you are... and the law isn't targeting soft-points or even factory hollow points... it is targeting what you mentioned, "enhancing" bullets. So you probably shouldn't bother. It isn't important anyway... modern bullets are nasty little buggers straight from the factory.
Sorry to laugh, but words change meaning every time they get used... and humanity would suck (used in the sense that became common in the 1970s) if that weren't fact.
To address the OP's question... making or posessing dum-dums may actually be illegal where you are... and the law isn't targeting soft-points or even factory hollow points... it is targeting what you mentioned, "enhancing" bullets. So you probably shouldn't bother. It isn't important anyway... modern bullets are nasty little buggers straight from the factory.
Vern Humphrey
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I have a right to be an individual, and reject ignorance. I correct people who call magazines "clips" and point out that a "casing" is part of a sausage, not a cartridge (which is not a "bullet.")
GrammatonCleric
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Boom
While we're discussing this, does anybody make exploding bullets in .45ACP?
While we're discussing this, does anybody make exploding bullets in .45ACP?
The Real Wyatt
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Cousin Mike:
Keep up with our experimenting. Use common sense and good judgement and most of all, be careful.
Were it not for experimenters, no progress would ever be made. And yes, the big corporations have billions to spend on research and development. Still there's room for the garage experimenter with curiosity.
Good luck ... be careful.
Keep up with our experimenting. Use common sense and good judgement and most of all, be careful.
Were it not for experimenters, no progress would ever be made. And yes, the big corporations have billions to spend on research and development. Still there's room for the garage experimenter with curiosity.
Good luck ... be careful.
Cousin Mike
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Thanks for the encouraging words, Wyatt!
For now my main focus is going hunting for the first time this year, so that's somewhat curbed my garage experiments for now. However, as soon as I have a little more luxury time and equipment, I'll be back at it again - hopefully with some casting and re-loading materials!
Still waiting for a chance to try these last few in a phone book, btw. I haven't forgot. If they expand better than the originals, I wonder what the opposing view will have to say.
Of course, I could always end up posting pics of my mangled hand, so I won't speak too soon.
For now my main focus is going hunting for the first time this year, so that's somewhat curbed my garage experiments for now. However, as soon as I have a little more luxury time and equipment, I'll be back at it again - hopefully with some casting and re-loading materials!
Still waiting for a chance to try these last few in a phone book, btw. I haven't forgot. If they expand better than the originals, I wonder what the opposing view will have to say.
Of course, I could always end up posting pics of my mangled hand, so I won't speak too soon.
As a CCW Instructor, who's been through the Legal briefing more times than I care to remember, DO NOT, under ANY circumstances, carry handloads or modified ammunition as your CCW self-defense rounds. No, it's not illegal. However, living in the sue happy world we inhabit, and the over abundance of blood sucking ambulance chasing attorneys out there, do you really want to stand in front of a jury and explain why your hand rolled, hotter than factory spec stuff was "necessary" to stop little Johnny the choirboy? Yes, I said NECESSARY!!!! Logic goes out the freakin' window when this subject comes around
Roll what you want, shoot what you want, hunt with what you want. But DO NOT carry it for CCW. Otherwise, you WILL be portrayed as the evil, I hid my gun so I could kill a bad guy and save the day, John Wayne type. Oh, and look, I even made my own "mankiller" bullets just to be sure I did the job right You think I'm making this stuff up???? It's not worth a $30 box of premium self defense loads to deal with this kind of crap. most of the people you'll end up trying to convince (i.e. your peers on the Jury) won't know diddly doodle squat about guns or ammunition. But, that slick young lawyer looking to make a name for himself will be absolutely sure they "know" you're a gun fanatic, an anti-social element who is out looking for trouble so you can shoot someone with your super duper manstopper killing machine. Understand, yes there is a lot of sarcasm in this post. Good people's lives have been ruined at best, destroyed at worst, over a box of ammo so they could save a buck. Just don't do it, but it is legal, for now.
Roll what you want, shoot what you want, hunt with what you want. But DO NOT carry it for CCW. Otherwise, you WILL be portrayed as the evil, I hid my gun so I could kill a bad guy and save the day, John Wayne type. Oh, and look, I even made my own "mankiller" bullets just to be sure I did the job right You think I'm making this stuff up???? It's not worth a $30 box of premium self defense loads to deal with this kind of crap. most of the people you'll end up trying to convince (i.e. your peers on the Jury) won't know diddly doodle squat about guns or ammunition. But, that slick young lawyer looking to make a name for himself will be absolutely sure they "know" you're a gun fanatic, an anti-social element who is out looking for trouble so you can shoot someone with your super duper manstopper killing machine. Understand, yes there is a lot of sarcasm in this post. Good people's lives have been ruined at best, destroyed at worst, over a box of ammo so they could save a buck. Just don't do it, but it is legal, for now.
Gun Geezer
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Primer in the bullet nose
A guy at a gun show once was selling pistol ammo in which he had placed primers in the bullets. He had drilled them out, put the primer in and added some sort of clear glue to hold the primer in place.
He had a film showing the bullets practically exploding in a large ham. Blew chuncks smoooth off.
Never did buy any of those things.
A guy at a gun show once was selling pistol ammo in which he had placed primers in the bullets. He had drilled them out, put the primer in and added some sort of clear glue to hold the primer in place.
He had a film showing the bullets practically exploding in a large ham. Blew chuncks smoooth off.
Never did buy any of those things.
Cousin Mike
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rmmoore, as a smartass myself, I tend to think sometimes sarcasm is necessary to drive a point home. Sometimes it's the best way to reach folks like me. As long as it's constructive in nature, and not just a needless attack, you'll never have a problem out of me.
I appreciate your perspective on it, and you make very good points. As a CCW instructor, I know you're qualified to speak on the subject. And of course, there's the common sense factor. FWIW, I don't intend to use these for SD/HD, and pretty much for the reasons you said. I'd like to see how they work, and maybe use them for hunting in the future - but having recently been called up for jury duty, and having spoken to several other people I know who have been on a jury - it's pretty much agreed that no one ever wants to go before one.
12 reasonable people? Yeah... ok.
If anyone believes that, well...
I got this bridge, down on the Ohio River - lovely scenery, lots of acres! PM me for prices
As long as it's constructive in nature, and not just a needless attack, you'll never have a problem out of me.I appreciate your perspective on it, and you make very good points. As a CCW instructor, I know you're qualified to speak on the subject. And of course, there's the common sense factor. FWIW, I don't intend to use these for SD/HD, and pretty much for the reasons you said. I'd like to see how they work, and maybe use them for hunting in the future - but having recently been called up for jury duty, and having spoken to several other people I know who have been on a jury - it's pretty much agreed that no one ever wants to go before one.
12 reasonable people? Yeah... ok.
If anyone believes that, well...
I got this bridge, down on the Ohio River - lovely scenery, lots of acres! PM me for prices
GregGry
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Yes, check legality in your area
http://ammunitiontogo.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=51&products_id=209
Fair enough Cousin Mike Perhaps my post came across a bit more acidic that I intended. But the points therein are valid. Glad to hear you are one of the seemingly few (albeit NOT at THIS website) who are gifted with common sense Most of the folks on here seem to have their s..t in one sock, so to speak. Happy shootin'.
Perhaps my post came across a bit more acidic that I intended. But the points therein are valid. Glad to hear you are one of the seemingly few (albeit NOT at THIS website) who are gifted with common sense Most of the folks on here seem to have their s..t in one sock, so to speak. Happy shootin'.- Status
