Is it just me? - Primers

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Mr_Gun_Guy, Jul 18, 2022.

  1. C4AJ

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    Primers themselves are hazmat why wouldn't a prime case be? I never understood that
     
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    A paper mill I worked at had lots of electric lift trucks. When a battery failed and needed to go out for repair or rebuild, it was hazardous waste. Once repaired, it was no longer considered hazardous waste.

    That was 30 years ago and regs may have changed. But kind of strange at the time.
     
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  3. n2omike

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    In their original packaging, primers are far less dangerous than a case of rimfire .22LR.
    Primers should NOT be classified hazardous when in their original packaging.
    The only way they are going to get set off en-route is if the vehicle catches on fire. Plus, how they are arranged in the plastic trays, I doubt that if one happened to magically go off, it would set off any of the others.
    It's designed to be an avenue for revenue collection. The shippers are getting rich off it, as they throw a little extra padding in the box and pocket an extra $20. Pisses me off, but whatcha' going to do about it? All you can do, is order as many things as you can afford at one time to spread the ripoff fee as much as possible.
     
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  4. rocirish

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    You're dealing with government regulations. That's why.
     
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  5. GeoDudeFlorida

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    Nine times out of ten, in my limited set of observational recollections, regulations and policies like HazMat or requiring an insured carrier - things that generate "useless fees" - are based on previous lawsuits. Something happens and somebody is "damaged" so they sue, win and the loser pays. The people in the loser's business, or related businesses, demand protection and that's when their lawyers and engineers go to work, looking for ways to mitigate risk by shifting responsibility, legally, or creating a new loser to pay off the next claimant. That's where insurers come into the mix and they prefer to settle out of court, then raise rates on everyone, spreading out the risk, versus fight it out in front of a sympathetic jury and create more risk for themselves by allowing new lawsuits based on, "what they knew and when they knew it," to pop up. We can all complain about the costs of "rip-off fees" but if we're the damaged party, suddenly it all makes perfect sense.
    Pay the fees, play it safe, don't be stupid by taking on more risk than you can afford. Pretty simple.
     
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    Please don't give them any ideas.
     
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    Wise words and a sadly cynical view of life borne from experience.
     
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    Perhaps no regs are as convoluted as environmental. It’s kinda fun though to see the unintended consequences—after some flash flooding locally some large trees were blocking a road nearby.

    For days they blocked the road and police set up a detour through the neighborhoods. The problem was the department responsible for cutting & moving the trees couldn’t operate their chain saws because the sawdust would be oil soaked from bar chain oil and would or might fall into the stream. Can’t have that because we’re in the Chesapeake Bay watershed and all the regional authorities have agreed to a separate layer of “protection” above those of the states and localities. Special protection against bar chain oil probably:)

    So, late one night citizen vigilantes cut up the trees and tossed them back into the creek, opening the road. The authorities are still looking for the miscreants but are short staffed because they are busy guarding the January 6th monsters.

    In the meantime a different department came in and removed the cut up trees because they couldn’t be left to rot in a stream that flowed into Chesapeake Bay. And cut trees aren’t permitted in local landfills and can’t be burned. So, they were trucked to a landfill in Southwest Virginia whose population is too small to complain loudly.

    Hazmat regs for primers are relatively simple in my view.
     
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  9. C4AJ

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    I never understood that lol. I wish it wasn't lol
     
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    becuse of government contracts to sell surplus pulled cases to the public. Same with .50 BMG AP incendiary pull bullets, You can only buy those AP bullets from the government. So they bent the law in able to sell pulled primed ammo case to the public. And we benefit

    Bureaucracy at its finest
     
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  11. BushMaster-15

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    It's really tough sweeping on carpet but otherwise I agree 100% it's safer for sure . Couldn't even begin to tell you how many times I'd used the vacuum before and since 100's or K times for sure and Nothing ever happened but it ONLY takes once to make you sorry .

    I now have a Wet Dry Vac and I rinse the inside of the vacuum with water and leave 2" in the bottom ,so far last 20 Years ALL has been good .

    I had a little dustbuster Vac but it took a dump years back ,so got the Wet/Dry Vac . If nothing else it's got way better suction and I adapted a sweet super fine mesh cotton cloth ,which slips over the pleated filter and is held on by a sewn in elastic band . Dust fine silt powder what ever either sticks to the insides cloth cover or ends up in the water. I feel Real safe using that setup ,as the motor is outside on the top of it's lid.
     
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  12. doubleh

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    I always pick them up if I can find them. I'm pretty sure there are two or three the gremlins have carried way back under my bench and are still there but I will get them if I ever move the bench. My parents lived through the Great Depression and one thing they taught me that stuck fairly well was to waste not, want not.
     
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  13. BushMaster-15

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    USPS WON'T ship Primers powder or loaded ammo ,not even primed brass . UPS and FedEx WILL Primed brass is considered Ammo for all intent and purpose ,so NO hazmat necessary . Powder & Primers Hazmat is required by Gov. regulation .

    You simply either need an ORM-D label on the box or Now a Diamond symbol is required ,so foreigners can internationally understand what's in the box :eek:
     
  14. Atavar

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    It is a matter of density. With primed cases each primer has its own protective carrier.
    With a case of bulk primers it is conceivable how a worst case impact could result in a chain fire that set off the lot.
    With primed cases you could smack the box with a hammer and maybe set off one or two.
     
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  15. BushMaster-15

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    That being true ,however as far as regulations go ; Ammunition is the same as Primed Brass ,they see NO differences as labels are identical .

    Any individual may ship Brass ,primed brass or ammunition to another individual , provided it's NOT illegal within either State .
    So of course Kommyfornia New Jerk as well as several others are Now prohibited from doing so . The Feds regulate interstate commerce and the Deep States control the Fed. Plain and simple otherwise individual states wouldn't be allowed to impede commerce or circumvent Federal Law . A long winded explanation ; Talk about unconstitutional : https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/ammunition-regulation-in-california/


    The Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution provides that the Congress shall have the power to regulate interstate and foreign commerce. The plain meaning of this language might indicate a limited power to regulate commercial trade between persons in one state and persons outside of that state. However, the Commerce Clause has never been construed quite so narrowly. Rather, the clause, along with the economy of the United States, has grown and become more complex. In addition, when Congress began to address national social problems, the Commerce Clause was often cited as the constitutional basis for such legislation. As a result, the Commerce Clause has become the constitutional basis for a significant portion of the laws passed by Congress over the last 50 years, and it currently represents one of the broadest bases for the exercise of congressional powers.

    An examination of the United States Code shows that more than 700 statutory provisions, covering a range of issues, are explicitly based on regulation of either “interstate” or “foreign” commerce. Over the last two decades, however, the Supreme Court in United States v. Lopez and United States v. Morrison held that a gun possession law and a law regarding sexual violence were, respectively, beyond Congress’s authority to regulate commerce. The effect of these cases, however, has so far been relatively modest in scope. For instance, a later case, Gonzales v. Raich, confirmed the authority of Congress to regulate medical marijuana, suggesting that the effect of the prior cases will be limited. Yet, in the case of National Federation of Business v. Sebelius, considering a challenge to an individual mandate to buy health insurance, the Court found that the Commerce Clause did not provide authority for such mandate. In Sebelius, the Court limited the use of the Commerce Clause to instances where individuals have already chosen to engage in a commercial activity (although it did find that such mandate could be enforced under Congress’s power to tax).
     
  16. eddiememphis

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    Not where I live.

    We have very low humidity and carpet means static. Not sure if a static discharge can set of a pound of H110 but I don't want to try that experiment.
     
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  17. Mark_Mark
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    grease your carpet!
     
  18. savagelover

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    I sent them with no issue as well as loaded ammo
     
  19. cfullgraf

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    I do not give up looking for the dropped primer until I find it. It is one of many reason that I prime off the press. I have much more control over the primers and I rarely drop any and when I do, it is only one at a time.

    On the very rare occasions that I do not find a dropped primer, if I find it later it gets trashed.

    As a side note, I enjoy reloading; all the kids have moved away to their own families so no time limitations there; I do not compete any more and do not need tons of ammunition; and I have the time to leisurely reload what ammunition that I need at a pace and process that I comfortable with.

    Bottom line, I do not have to be super speedy with my reloading if the process goes more smoothly with fewer disruptions that require serious time to unravel.
     
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  20. cfullgraf

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    FYI, it is 5:56 AM here and I am enjoying Mother Nature's light show here in east TN.

    Our male retired racing greyhound is fussing protecting his four female greyhounds plus one female whippet harem. But that is OK, that is his job and he takes it seriously.

    Apologizes for drifting off topic. Fireball, our male greyhound, is such a goofy boy.

    P.S. he is named after the famous NASCAR racer, Fireball Roberts for those not educated in all things in the southern stock car racing thing.:)

    His official name is "AJN Fired Up" and his kennel name was "Fire". Can you imagine calling for "Fire:" in the backyard to get the dog to come? Hence, we called him "Fireball" when he came to us.

    Boy, does he does love his girls!
     
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    DOG HELP:D That's the way to start your day LOL. Sorry for the additional thread drift there.

    Being medically retired I have the time to seek out the occasional errant primer. Oh and did I mention that I am CHEAP to a fault.:oops:
     
  22. GeoDudeFlorida

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    Is there a difference between cheap and thrifty? Because I prefer to think of myself as thrifty. I hunt for primers until I see the Pixie tracks leading away from where it fell, then I give up and say a little curse to my own clumsiness. I really try hard not to drop them to begin with but, it happens. I'm not perfect, thank goodness. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to be one of those perfect people in the world.
     
  23. Mark_Mark
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    YES you mentioned your Cheapness! several times!
     
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    I have a vinyl floor in my loading area. I don't look for dropped primers. I clean the floor about once a year under my reloading bench. Under there will be several dozen primers of all types. I don't know if they're SP or SR so I toss those. I can recognize LP and so I keep those. I don't load LR so no issues.
     
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  25. n2omike

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    About like naming a dog 'Shark'... and taking him to the beach. :)
     
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