Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by tamaneko, Jun 18, 2009.
Have there been any actual cases of that?
Which .50 caliber round are we talking? Roundball from a muzzleloader? Sabot bullet from a muzzleloader? A .50AE from a pistol, or maybe a .500 S&W Magnum, or even a .500 Wyoming Express? Or do you mean a .50 BMG?
it's -possible- to survive a "shot" from anything.
A PA RR worker (I doe believe) survived a 5 foot 1"+ diameter iron rod being shot clean through his head and brain, from under his chin to the top of his skull.
Yup, it is. One of my former Troops had been with the 1st Air Cav. He took 3 rds from a .50. They didn't think he'd make it. He was shipped home in a full body cast. Lots of surgery. His torso is full of scars. He pulls a disability check from the government but he's in good enough shape that he was able to pass our PT test and spent 30 years as a Troop.
Remember this woman? She was hit by a .50 BMG round and survived it.
Or do you mean COM?
Clearly, the chances of surviving a gunshot depend largely on where a person is shot. If a person sustains a .50 BMG shot to the hand or foot, I'd say the chances of surviving are quite high if given prompt medical attention. On the other hand, a torso or head shot would have a substantially higher mortality rate.
While I was visiting my mother before she died at Mayo Clinic back in 1990, I rode on an elevator with a WWII Navy pilot who had been receiving periodic therapy almost his entire life. He had been shot down by a Japanese fighter.....
....by a shot to the head.
It's amazing what the human body is capable of. Not only did this guy survive a large caliber shot to the head (I'm unsure what caliber the Japanese used on their airplanes, but I'm sure it wasn't a .22lr) but he also survived the plane crash afterward, and the time it took to receive treatment.
It wasn't a superficial wound either. There was a large depression in side of the guys cranium.
Wow. Just wow.
yes it is possible to survive but the chances are low.
Of course it is.
It would depend on the aircraft that fired at him,
but their aircraft weaponry ranged from 7.7mm,
12.7mm (.50cal), & 13.2mm machine guns,
to the 20mm & 30mm cannons.
Not completely on topic, but I love how there are clearly documented cases of people being hit with .50cal rounds and surviving, but some people still persist with rumors like "Even if a .50cal round is shot near you, you'll still die from the air pressure of the round going by".
Check out Saburo Sakai.
He took a .50 to the head.
And flew home.
And flew again.
And died of old age.
I heard third hand about an Army training accident where an instructor was shot in the face just a few feet from the muzzle of a .50 BMG. He had just bent over to pick something up as the rifle fired. the bullet struck him on one cheek, passed through his open mouth and out the other cheek. As luck would have it his mouth was open enough that the bullet did not do as much damage to his teeth as it could have. He probably lost the hearing in one ear though.
Does anybody have first hand knowledge of the effects of the .50 BMG on the human body? I'm not convinced that it would be as destructive as some imagine.
I think it would, most likely, make a .50 caliber hole through the target. I doubt the bullet would even yaw, much less tumble, from passing through the human body. Military-issued bullets aren't going to mushroom or fragment on a human, either. The bullet has a velocity, depending on the load, in the neighborhood of 3000 fps. This is in the same region occupied by the .30-06 and similar rifle cartridges. Those cartridges don't make a human torso explode, so I doubt the .50 will either.
If someone has verifiable evidence otherwise, I'm willing to be convinced; but right now I don't believe the .50 BMG is that insanely destructive on human targets.
Hell, there was a 90+ year old guy in the news the other day who survived both atomic bomb blasts at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
He died of old age, but talk about bad luck...
So yes, it is possible to survive just about anything.
I watched a show a while back on HBO about the iraq war veterans hosted by James Gandolfini (Tony Soprano). There was a enlisted Marine girl that was hit with an RPG at close range and the rocket actually just tore her arm and shoulder off but detonated past her, I'm guessing RPGs have a proximity sensor to prevent them from going off to close to the person who fired it. Aside from have a large prosthetic arm and shoulder she was alive and still kinna cute.
Honestly I'd rather be hit by a 50 cal than a RPG any day of the week.
On a side not when I was in highschool there was a kid that got in a shooting accident with a friend of his and got shot in the side of the rib cage with a .50 AE from a desert eagle. He was screwed up really bad and had to have a lung removed and some of his intestines (also looked like someone gutted him like s fish from surgery scars. But he lived and came back to school 4 months later.
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Yeah but it is these same people who complain about how ignorant the anti-gunners are, LOL. I see the similarities in their posting personalities.
I was thinking of starting a thread, "Is it possible to survive an atom bomb hit??" But I remembered that there were a number of Japanese who were present at and survived BOTH attacks.
I'd much rather get hit by a .50 BMG bullet than a .50 cal ball from a Brown Bess or somesuch...
(Cleaner wound, less likely to splinter bones, expand, etc.)
I had a retired Air Force CSMSgt swear that the air pressure thing is true because he saw it happen in Vietnam on enemy combatants that had been wounded/killed by m16's.
I personally know someone that was shot through the arm with one round of 30-06, and grazed by a second round. He diddnt die or sustain grevious injury, and only required minor surgery.
myth or fact? you be the judge. someone call mythbusters.
Are you serious? You think soft lead is more destructive than FMJ in this caliber?
Depending on the load, a .50BMG muzzle speed starts at >2,800 ft/s, generating energy of 11,000-15,000 ft/lbs force.
A smoothbore musket has ~850ft/s velocity and 500-850 ft/lbs energy.
Never would have though you could survive a COM shot with a .50 BMG.
Much less three or some of the other stories here. Learn something new everyday.
You mean Phineas Gage? Usually taught in psychology/behavioral science classes as a classic example of "accidental frontal lobotomy", and the behavioral changes that ensue.
what caliber did bob dole take?
The biggest, baddest rifle round in existence will still not kill you unless it hits a vital area.
Chuck Norris could survive a .50 cal., but could a 50 cal. survive Chuck Norris?
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