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Is the 10mm making a resurgence

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by 262madmike, Sep 13, 2017.

  1. 262madmike

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    Thinking about a 10mm.Dont really want a Glock so was thinking about a 1911 platform.Any suggestions.
     
  2. murf

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    don't forget the sig p220.

    murf
     
  3. Sam1911

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    Hard not to love the CZ clone made by Tanfoglio, known here as the EAA Witness.
     
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    Can you get 10mm ammo easy?
     
  5. ATLDave

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    I have owned 3 10mm Tanfoglio's (two Match models, one Limited). Great guns. May take a little bit more tweaking to get just right than a Glock, but so much better in terms of shooting performance once you do. Nice heavy frame to soak up recoil, and triggers that can be made quite nice.

    FWIW, 10mm is a true handloader's cartridge. You can make it be all kinds of different things depending on what you want from it, and it has a gigantic operating window.
     
  6. ATLDave

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    Anyone with an internet connection and a credit card can get 10mm ammo easily. https://ammoseek.com/ammo/10mm-auto Dozens and dozens of options.

    If you want to get it cheaply, you will probably need to be a handloader!
     
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    Don't knock the glocks. I have never been a glock fan till my brother got one then a buddy bought a kimber elite in the 10mm for bear protection but it came with a $1500 price tag. Sweet gun but only held 8 rounds in the mag. I would love a gun like that but settled on the the glock 20 that has 15 rounds and a more affordable price around $500. That is what I pack as a last resort for manbearpig protection. The 10mm is a good round with the right loads it almost not quite but almost has the same ballistics as a 41 rem mag. My glock will dump all 15 into a group about the size of a silver dollar @20 yards. I'm not exactly a pro with a handgun or anything so I'm sure it can get better than that. The 10mm has a stout but manageable recoil and I have seen some people almost loose control because they limp wrist the gun while shooting.
     
  8. 262madmike

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    How about a Rock Island 1911 10mm.Ive read reviews and its hit and miss.
     
  9. readyeddy

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    It seems like it is making a resurgence and I've owned a Glock 20 since the 1990's. When I bought it, I and many others were looking for the ultimate combat handgun and that quest was born from the Bren Ten and 10mm Auto project. Years have passed, and I'm afraid the 10mm hasn't really found a place as a great handgun cartridge.

    As a combat cartridge, the 10mm is generally over powered. A select few are able to master the cartridge. But for those who wanted a 40 cal bore at a respectable 1000 - 1200 fps, the 40 S&W is the best candidate.

    For outdoor sporting purposes, the 41 and 44 Mags are far and away superior.

    This is not to say that the 10mm is not a good cartridge as it has many positive attributes, and I recommend it to anyone who loves semi-auto handguns. But I had high hopes for it back in the day, and time has proven otherwise. The resurgence is an interesting phenomenon, and I can't quite explain its occurrence.
     
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    I've recognized the virtues of the 10mm since its inception and always advocated for it. It is an extremely versatile and capable handgun. A 10mm with 200 grain bullets is quite capable in the woods or the city and is not hard to shoot accurately or quickly. I believe it is making a resurgence for these reasons.
     
  11. tarosean

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    So we used to have 1911's, Glocks and S&W's and a couple other outliers.. Now we have 1911's, Glocks, and Sigs and a couple other outliers..
    Doesn't seem to be a significant uptick to me? Must be that "40SW is dead" accounting system at work.
     
  12. ATLDave

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    taro', 10mm shows up in the top 10 list of handgun ammo searches for ammoseek. Google's search trend data shows a long-term upward trend since 2004, though not a sudden recent spike (other than the banic spike that probably hit almost all ammo search terms). https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=10mm ammo

    Davidson's gallery of guns has 9 manufacturers listed selling handguns in 10mm. When the list of makers includes Colt, Glock, Ruger, Remington, and Sig, I think it's a little silly to claim that it's "outliers" making these guns.

    At the very least, it seems to have found a stable, long-run niche with enough ongoing demand to keep gun makers chambering new guns in it, ammo makers cranking it out, etc. Will it ever be as popular as .40 S&W is right now? I highly, highly doubt it.
     
  13. tarosean

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    Now take the name brands off and you're left with what I stated correct? 1911's etc.
    Years ago I sold my 1006 off for a heafty profit. But I am definitely thinking a railed delta will be in my future.
     
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    Supposedly there should be an XDm out in 10mm by the end of the year... but that was before they got busted with the whole lobby thing so that might have affected their sales, which may have affected R&D. Plus they are liars HAHAHA
     
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    Not sure it's a resurgence, but I do think it is surging. The local Sportsman's Warehouse and Academy Sports each have a small selection of ammo on the shelves. I just got a G20, but haven't been able to shoot it yet. Love the Delta Elite though.
     
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    10mm is nice, but expensive. The newer pistols with dual recoil springs are going to handle the cartridge best as it can seriously beat up a frame and 10mm is high pressure.

    I have a gen2 glock 20, and early 2000s compact and full sized eaa witness pistols. The compact can't really handle 10mm well, I probably should buy a springco recoil reducer for it.

    I've had a case rupture in the g20 (sheared mag catch) and one with the witness compact (blew out mag base plate).

    I do suggest the glock for this calibre as its a great back country weapon for use in a covered retension holster. 15rds vs 6...
     
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    Just throwing it out there but the 10mm Sig P220 is also offered as a Legion model.

    If the P227 is ever offered in 10mm, I'm all over it.

    Just need dies and a toolhead for my reloader.
     
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    I'd say it's probably gaining a little ground. But I doubt it will ever be popular. Because handloading isn't that popular. Before the flaming starts, think about it. There might be a 1,000 reloaders on THR (I'm one of them). But I personally know probably 100 people who shoot regularly. I know exactly 5 reloaders. And 2 of the 5 are brothers.
     
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    Well, IMO if it wasn't making some inroads Ruger, Sig and Remington wouldn't have developed 10mm offerings recently.

    All 3 would be my suggestions, by the way.

    I have a RIA Tactical 10mm that is fine and accurate, but I bought it years back. For the price now, I'd have gone with a Ruger, or probably the longslide Remington, once I've looked it over.
     
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    My favorite 10mm is still the 1006.
     
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    I don't care for it due to cost of ammo and it having more power than I need. I guess if I needed the additional power due to fear of being attacked by some animal I may get a Glock 20, but since the only "dangerous" animals (that aren't 2 legged) are hogs and the occasional unlikely black bear, and I feel fine with my Glock 21 for these situations.
     
  23. ATLDave

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    Let's not devolve into another debate about what constitutes "common" or "popular"!

    As to how many people you know that reload, that probably depends on the kinds of shooters you know. If you shoot competitively, you probably know dozens or even hundreds of reloaders.

    Still, as shown by the ammoseek link I gave above, there are dozens and dozens of immediately available commercial loadings. Now, you won't shoot large volumes with that... but shooting large volumes of anything isn't all that "popular" in the grand scheme of things!
     
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    You can easily buy an aftermarket 10mm barrel for your glock 21 if you so desire. A little over one bill for a nice 6" barrel.
     
  25. SKILCZ

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    I love the caliber, and the Glocks handle it well. I haven't shot a 1911 in 10 mm or the EAA Witness in 10 mm, but I've heard the latter is a nice shooter. Given that it's a CZ clone, I probably would like it. The caliber has so much potential with different loads and a wide range of options. It's hard to argue with 15+1 of something approaching 41 magnum ballistics with the right load. Carry a spare mag and you're at 30+1. Sure, you could carry a 500 S&W Magnum, but I'd rather carry a 10 mm with 31 rounds.

    I think a major reason why it didn't take off is b/c the FBI bailed on it back when it was developed. Had they learned to shoot it well and adopted it, I think .40 S&W may not have come into being and 10 mm may have become much more prevalent. I do agree, though, that more manufacturers seem to be making firearms in the caliber now, which is promising. It used to be basically a choice between a Delta Elite, finding an old 1006, or getting a Witness or Glock. Now you have SigSauer and a bunch of 1911 manufacturers jumping on board with rumors of others around the corner. I sure hope it makes a resurgence!
     

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