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Is the .45 GAP (.45 Glock Automatic Pistol) a dieing or NEAR DEATH caliber?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by outerlimit, Dec 25, 2008.

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  1. outerlimit

    outerlimit Member

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    I never see any mention of it anymore. I was never that enthused with it to begin with. Strange non-standard cartridge, chambered in a couple guns, rare mystery powder to get the standard pressure .45acp ballistics with a 200gr. cartridge. With the introduction of the Glock .45ACP "short frame" did Glock manage to kill their own cartridge?

    My hands are not very big, but I have no trouble gripping a 1911 sized frame. LEO requirements for small framed guns aside, was it a non-starter to begin with?
     
  2. RON in PA

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    It has been adopted recently by the New York and Pennsylvania State Police. i suspect that Glock made them an offer they couldn't refuse.
     
  3. notorious

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    It'll be a fringe caliber with a small audience like the .357Sig has become. Most agencies here stuck with the standard 9mm, 40SW or 45ACP, with an option to go .357Sig.

    Glock won't let the .45GAP die that easily. The problem is the supply. Nobody here locally can get the ammo for it.
     
  4. legion3

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    I agree Glock won't let it die a natural death, and its likely to become a niche self defense round like the 357 sig, 41 Magnum and the 10mm. Althought the 10mm has a legitimate hunting role.

    It is not likely to totally disappear like the 41 Action Express (although ever so often it comes out of the night like a zombie) :what:
     
  5. mordechaianiliewicz

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    If it isn't dead it should be. .45 GAP was reinventing the wheel as far as I'm concerned.

    (Maybe I'm a little harsh, but I never saw the point)
     
  6. outerlimit

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    Local LEO use .357Sig, and most .40's will shoot it with a barrel change, and vice versa, so I think .45GAP is much worse off. :)
     
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    to me it is dead and there is no way that i would buy a gun chambered for it, however there are pd's picking it up and using it, i think that is kinda dumb but hey if that is what they want go for it.
     
  8. Iron Sight

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    Somebody gave me several used gap cases mixed with regular .45 auto. Took them home and cleaned them with an ultra sonic noting they use small pistol primers. Maybe I will load them to GAP specs and shoot them as a novelty in my S&W 625 revolver?
     

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    i was in a local gun shop earlier this week, they had two boxes of 20, $50 a piece
     
  10. Marcus L.

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    I owned one for a little while and it was well......it was a .45. Not much to complain about other than ammo availability, selection, and price. It's not dead, but it isn't necessarily getting any more popular either. The .357sig will never be as popular as the 9mm, .40S&W, or .45acp.....and the .45GAP will likely never be as popular as the .357sig.

    The only way the GAP will go anywhere is if it were to get major LE or military adoption. Another good way to get the ball rolling would be for someone to neck down the GAP to a .40 caliber bullet in order to achieve 10mm auto performance out of a GAP sized pistol. That way, you get a single platform that will shoot .40/.45 just as you can have one pistol that will shoot .357/.40.
     
  11. outerlimit

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    Marcus, that's interesting about necking it down to make it a fat 10mm. I never thought of that..

    I agree that it will never reach any popularity level higher than .357 Sig short of the U.S. military and NATO adopting it in their next sidearm or the fat 10mm thing happening by way of Federal, Winchester and Speer, and the gun rags going wild about it.

    I don't see either thing happening though.
     
  12. Runningman

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    Don't know if I would say it is dead. As long as Glocks keep making pistols in it, it has a chance. Glock has probably kept the excellent 10mm on the map and alive just because they still chamber pistols for it.

    I've only shot one 45 GAP pistol, but was not to impressed with the accuracy of it at 25 yards. My groups were rather large at that range with the 45 GAP.

    I let the owner of the 45 GAP pistol shoot my G31 357 Sig the same day. His groups were about half the size with the G31 compared to the 45 GAP. Next time I saw him, he was shooting a Sig 226 in the 357 SIG.
     
  13. notorious

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    There will always be some agencies who want to be on the vanguard and adopt a new chambering that sounds good. There were quite a few that jumped on the .357Sig bandwagon but by and large, you are not going to beat the 9/45 and followed by some 40s in the police market.
     
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    You won't find a new one in 10 years. It's D.O.A.
     
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    We're fifteen posts in and nobody has said " It's an answer to a question nobody asked" yet? Ya'll are gettin' slow:D
     
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    About 10 days ago I was in my local Sportsman's Warehouse, and 45 GAP ammo was the only ammo that they had plenty of!!!:uhoh:
    Everything else that was more conventional was sold out to the bare walls! But they had about 20-30 boxes of 45 GAP sitting out. :confused:
    That seems to tell me that it's just about as dead as it can be!!!:scrutiny:
     
  17. 45auto

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    They still produce 44/40, 38/40 ammo I believe.
    So, it could be around quite a while.

    Now, for 1911 45 users, I think a DOUBLESTACK 45 GAP might be a interesting project. How about the grip feel of a HP on a 1911.

    What do you think? ;)
     
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    I would not count it out - Gaston Glock wanted a round with his name on it, and Glock is going to be a here for awhile. Would I want one - NO!!! Think about it, calibres that are in general usage such as 9MM, .45 ACP, .38 Special... will always have a more of a surplus of ammunition. Especially, if it is one the military and police have used or is currently using. More product available means lower prices. To me, new is not always better, especially if you are on a budget.
     
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    There are several countries which prohibit civilians from owning weapons which are chambered in military calibers and this is one way around that. If you look at the number of 9 mm rounds available then it makes sense to have one in .45 caliber. Italy and Mexico are just two countries that come to mind and the .45 GAP fills the void.
     
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    Italy droped the ban on .45 ACP, sales of the .45 GAP basicly droped to 0 over the course of a week.
    now, if you are still unfortunate enough to own a .45GAP in europe, you have to import ammo from the USA because there is simply noone that makes them anymore in europe.
    checking around online, i was not able to find a store in germany that has .45GAP listed and only one store in switzerland that has it listed, at almost twice the Price of regular .45ACP.


    compareing the .45GAP to the .357sig is also not very good, the .357sig has two things going for it:

    hard barrier penetration and flat trajectory(accuracy).

    the .357sig has a very strong following among Hunters for a trapshot(or how do you call it in english?) on wildhogs or other potentialy dangerous animals.
    at the same time the same handgun can serve as a personal defense firearm, because since the openborder schengen treaty, hunters get targeted by criminal elements because a BlaserR93 with good Scope can get you 10k+ on the blackmarket.
     
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    i never saw a reason for it to begin with. it is basicly a 45 acp with their name on it, changed enough that you have to use their namesake ammo. it would be no different if Taurus or Llama made a "358 magunum" that was .010" shorter with 85 fps higher velocity and a different shaped rim. hype trying to sell guns. absoloutly worthless IMO.
     
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    the .45 GAP was made for the US millitary so the other side couldnt arm & fire our guns if they got there hands on them. Ive read articals that Glock was concidering taking the .45 GAP round off the market for the US public. I had a chance to buy one for $300 so I researched it and thats why I didnt get it. I never find any brass for them at the range and its not the norm to see the ammo on the shelf around here but when I do Its more then .45 ACP.
     
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    It is not different enough from .45ACP to be worth the hassle of using it, for most people. The whole point seemed to be:

    1. Ostensibly, obtain .45 ACP ballistics from a more efficient/shorter cartridge, thus be able to stuff it in a gun with a shorter (front to back) grip.

    2. Pessimistically, to obtain a portion of the market with a proprietary cartridge.

    The dubious benefits of #1 do not make it worth dealing with the manifold complications of #2. And this completely ignores what handloaders can do with the ACP that they cannot attempt with the GAP.

    It's on life support. It may recover, but I ain't gonna bet on it.

    Mike
     
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    Or... it's an attempt by the Bilderbergers and the Triumvirate to take over the most American of cartridges... the .45ACP. By taking down our symbol of freedom and patriotism, we become easier to defeat. After we give up our .45ACP guns, they then pull the plug on .45GAP production... then we become unarmed because a lot of people would rather be unarmed than shoot a gun that is not a .45 caliber pistol... so comes the new world order.

    P.S. I kid... I kid...

    P.P.S. Yes, it's on its last breaths.
     
  25. Iron Sight

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    The shorter cases might load faster with moon clips and a revolver? Plus be smaller lighter to carry?
     
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