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Is the gov trying to increase crime? Gun crime prosecutions down 50%, FastNFurious..

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by wacki, Jan 31, 2013.

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  1. wacki

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    I am trying really hard not to go George Orwell here. However, it's very hard for me not to link the following dots in a straight line. Please tell me I'm missing something.

    Testimony given by former prosecutor Jeff Sessions today at the Senate hearing stated that:

    Exact quote via powerline::
    If I were trying to intentionally increase crime I would:

    Step 1: Strip away the 2nd amendment (appoint anti-2A justices to SCOTUS, bribe law reviews, etc)
    Step 2: Give guns to criminals (Fast N Furious)
    Step 3: Let violent criminals that got caught go. (see above)​


    My brain is going in two different directions. Part of me says "there is no way this is part of a master plan, nobody is that crazy". But at the same time the above is leading me in only one direction. I can't think of a more effective way to increase the bad guys with guns to good guys with guns ratio... and therefore crime rates.

    So we can't rationally explain the Fast-N-Furious with anything other than a blanket "bizarre level of incompetence". OK fine. I'll give our leaders the benefit of the doubt.

    What's the explanation for the 50% drop in bread-n-butter prosecutions? I'm really hoping for a better excuse than just "incompetence" this time. How does this drop compare to other prosecutions?


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  2. silicosys4

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    My guess is amnesty for illegal aliens has much to do with the drop in prosecutions, and the legalization and decriminalization of marijuana across several states over the last four or five years, might have some affects as well.
    I wonder if there is a trend also in less prosecutions of nonviolent offenses.
    Overcrowding of prisons might also be incentive to prosecute less, or to prosecute selectively...
     
  3. M-Cameron

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    history has proven time and again, the best way to control a people is to give them something to fear, and use it as an excuse to take away their rights in the name of "safety"....
     
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    Which was the whole point of Fast and Furious.
     
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    The Syracuse report states the largest drop in prosecutions concerning guns appears to be in fruad/incorrect reporting.
    Didn't Biden just comment rather flippantly about the lack of prosecution of false information on transfer forms?

    "Again among the top ten lead charges, the one showing the sharpest decline in prosecutions compared to one year ago—down 60 percent—was Fraud/false statements or entries generally (Title 18 U.S.C Section 1001 ). This was the same statute that had the largest decrease— 86.7 %—when compared with five years ago."

    http://trac.syr.edu/tracreports/bulletins/jatf/monthlysep12/fil/

    While I hesitate to say that the end goal is an increase in crime, I will say that gross incompetence and an unwillingness to admit to it might be to blame.
    This is the curtain that needs to be pulled back. This is the information that convinces the fence sitters that no matter how touchy feely the POTUS and his posse get, not only are they wasting peoples time and taxpayer dollars with each minute and breath they waste on these attacks against the 2A, they are incompetent at prosecuting current laws.
     
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    They will do what ever it takes to make the gun look BAD................
     
  7. gunsandreligion

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    Yes biden said we dont have time or resources to punish lying on background checks. That was about a week or so ago. Right now he is pushing universal background checks, because we obviously can use them effectivly without time or resources. Makes sense.
     
  8. Manco

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    As far as I can tell, you are not missing anything. Whether or not there is a master plan being executed by a vast conspiracy to reduce this country to tyranny, events and efforts are unfolding as though there were. :scrutiny: Even if there is no secret dictator or Communist oligarchy biding their time until the right conditions are achieved, strong efforts are being made to bring us to those conditions, for whatever reasons (good or bad intentions), after which somebody could take advantage. I don't know what is going on in the big picture, if there even is one, but for one thing we cannot let the government render the people defenseless--that's where the line must be drawn.

    That's exactly right, and a higher crime rate--particularly violent crime committed using guns--would serve the same apparent agenda that a lot of other actions of the government ostensibly are, as we speak.

    It seems crazy, doesn't it? A lot of people would also say that it couldn't happen in America, but it has happened elsewhere, and when America is stripped of everything that made it special, it could certainly happen here. I don't know what's really going on, either, but nevertheless we all must realize that it has to stop here--do NOT let the government disarm us! (preaching to the choir, but my point is that the stakes are higher than just the right to keep and bear arms, per se).

    I vote for incompetence, too, but it's obvious that they attempted to frame the people and the Second Amendment for their crimes in order to find another excuse to disarm us. Why else? Maybe every single thing we're seeing is pure coincidence--I have no idea. But even if it is, this country is headed in a very dangerous direction.
     
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    Yes biden said we dont have time or resources to punish lying on background checks. That was about a week or so ago. Right now he is pushing universal background checks, because we obviously can use them effectivly without time or resources. Makes sense
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    Ol Crazy Uncle Joe is just looking out for us.
     
  10. Carl N. Brown

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    Let's see. When my son got his first really good job, he started buying a gun off his wish list every payday: deer rifle, shotgun, good .22, on the third purchase in one month he was warned by the dealer that frequent purchase might get his NICS flagged as buying for resale and start getting delays or denials.

    Fast forward. Uriel Patino was flagged to ATF by a Phoenix gun dealer for buying multiple AK47s (matching the straw purchaser/unlicensed dealer profile) and his first guns showed up in Mexico Nov 2009 first month of Operation Fast and Furious. Over the next several months Uriel Patino was allowed to buy 723 guns which kept showing up in weapons seized in crime in Mexico or in US jurisdictions. When dealers questioned Patino and other straws repeatedly showing up to buy multiple guns of the same type, ATF assured them to contunue selling we have it under control.

    Now we hear legal sales must be tightened because of straw buyers. Jeez. All they have to do is return to enforcing existing law against buying for purposes of resell.
     
  11. BHP FAN

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    this is why I say it [F&F] was planned to ramp up ''gun crime'', on purpose. If you'll recall, the administration had just made the claim that ''99 percent'' on guns used in crimes in Mexico were from US gun shops... a LOT of the guns they showed were full auto M-16's and AK's and even grenades, NOT the kind of thing to be picked up at the corner gun store. Some of these may have indeed come from the US, but not from gun stores. The US and Mexico are close allies and we help arm the Mexican police and military, both of which are famously corrupt, and some of which are even infiltrated by cartel members. It takes no great stretch of the imagination to realize that the military and police grade guns could have, therefore, have come from the US armed military and police.
     
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