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Is the mini 14 the american equivelant of the Kalisnikov?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by kcslim, Apr 2, 2003.

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  1. kcslim

    kcslim Member

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    I was pondering this question the other day, and would like to know what you folks thought about this little rifle.
     
  2. Redlg155

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    I was thinking it would be a closer comparison to the SKS.

    Good Shooting
    Red
     
  3. SquirrelNuts

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    I would say the M1 Garand would be the equivalent. The Mini 14 is a derivative, so it would be the little brother.

    -SquirrelNuts
     
  4. rugerfreak

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    SKS is what I was thinking too---mainly because of mag capacity.

    Since most hi-caps for the Mini are junk----you are pretty much stuck with 10-rounders.
     
  5. Art Eatman

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    I can't quite figure out a context for the question. The "Kalashnikov", to me, is primarily the AK 47, a selective-fire military weapon. The Ruger is designed as a light-duty small-game hunting rifle. It's a scaled-down version of the M14 action, of course, but it's not really any sort of military critter--as are all of Kalashnikov's notable designs.

    Now, if you put it in context of US usage, and general sporting/self-defense purposes, I'd guess the Mini would correlate to, say, an SKS-sort of animal.

    Funny about the magazines. 20 years back, I had mags for my Mini up to 40-rounds. They all "ran" just fine, with never a feeding problem. I guess the mad panic to crank out immense numbers before the high-cap ban went into effect really messed up the quality control...

    Art
     
  6. Andrew Wyatt

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    the closest military weapon in purpose and useage to the mini-14 would be the m-1 carbine, since they have similar weights, capacities and all that.
     
  7. MAKOwner

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    You just insulted Kalishnikov rifles everywhere...
     
  8. kcslim

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    Thanks for your opinons. I should have added this to my question, in terms of reliability do you think the mini 14 could hold up to the ak-47? Hey Mak please apoligize to all of the Kalishnikovs Rifles for me, no offense intended;)

    You hear storys about how the Ak can stand up to extreme amounts of abuse, and still function Does the mini share these quality's?
     
  9. GlocksRock

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    How is the SKS an american equivilant when it isn't even a US gun? I would say the mini 30 is closer to the Kalashnikov due to the caliber.
     
  10. meathammer

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    I can't say for sure, but in my opinion the AK would win as far as which design could take the most abuse.
     
  11. Andrew Wyatt

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    I don't baby my minis by any stretch, but i don't abuse them either. I have never had a malfunction with either (untill the 180 started having failures to go into battery, but that's an age problem) and i use questionable magazines.


    If i had a choice between a mini and an AK, i'd pick the mini, since it has sights that are somewhat better than those found on the AK.
     
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    If the mini-14 sold new for $300 and functional 40-Round magazines were available eveywhere........
     
  13. SodaPop

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    No. The Mini 14 can't hold up to the same rate of fire without risking damage to the gun. I heated up my Mini 14 a few months ago and the metal actually changed color. It was a SS Ranch model and it went from SS to a singed brownish yellow.


    If the Mini had about two more pounds of beef on it, I would think it would be as durable as the AK.

    But it isn't.
     
  14. Redlg155

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    I think you perhaps read the question backwards?

    Mini 14= American
    Kalishnakov/Sks =Soviet

    Good Shooting
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  15. Art Eatman

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    SodaPop: Just out of idle curiosity, what's the point of firing a long-enough string, fast enough, to cause that sort of over-heating?

    I once had a fair number of 30- and 40-round mags that were quite reliable in feeding. (They seemed rather pointless, so I happily sold them to somebody who wanted them worse than I did.) I'd shoot part of a mag, and let the gun cool, some. I've never, ever, had any failure to fire with any of the Mini-14s I've had.

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    I've fired the AC556 (full-auto Mini-14) with sustained bursts and haven't noticed any damage or had any feed problems. Supposedly, as with the M16 or other air-cooled full auto rifles, the time it takes to change magazines provides sufficient cooling to prevent damage to the gun.
     
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    You're kidding right? There isn't a ruger made that can hold a candle to an ak.

    There was a SHOT show in Vegas years ago where a guy had an AK that had fired over 1 million rounds full auto and it was still shooting.

    You ain't ever gonna get performance like that from a mini14.

    Very few military guns are even close to the same league as an AK let alone some civilian toy.

    They are equal in respect to being small, short weapons that lack any real accuracy.

    I agree with the comment about insulting kalishnikovs everywhere. :rolleyes:

    I have a hunch (edited to add) 'that MOST' that have posted so far have never owned or fired an ak.

    -bevr
     
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    I own and have fired a pre-ban underfolding AK-47 along with a Garand, M1 Carbine, 98K, 03A3, SKS, M16A1, Uzi, MP5, AR-15 SP1 and a Mini-14. Can I comment? :)
     
  19. MAKOwner

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    I'm trying starting with my personal AKs, but they are having none of it. :fire: was all I could get... AKs are kinda ill tempered most of the time anyway though, being evil and all. lol
     
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    I had over 2000rds of .223 reloads that I loaded up last year. NONE of them would feed right in my Bushmaster AR15. It turns out 95% of the cases I had were not sized enough to feed in the AR. ALL of my .223 reloads feed in both of my Mini 14s. :confused:

    Since I've been trying to spend more time with my AR, and get better at shooting irons, I had to burn threw some of my ammo just so I could have brass for my AR.:uhoh: :rolleyes:

    Several weeks ago, I loaded up all the mags for my two Mini 14 rifles, and my AR and shot up all my reloads. I loaded up several of my 30rd mags and went to the range. I just wanted to shoot it up and go home. The M193 clone loads I had were pretty boring and I'm only going to reload the 62gr and 69gr rounds from now on.

    I'm wondering if the CLP on the SS barrel added to the fact it got kinda brownish red??? It looks like its been wearing off, but I don't know........

    I believe in being hard on Semi-autos every once in awhile just to make sure they are tough. I did the same thing with my FAL a year ago. Maybe I'm insecure, but I just like to know what a rifle can handle. They aren't MOA guns so I don't care. I expect to wear out my barrels eventually and replace them. I expect to wear out all of my guns eventually.

    I like to shoot.

    :)
     
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  21. goon

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    I don't think that there really is a US weapon that correlates to the AK.
    The Garand and M-14 are more powerful and made for a different niche.
    The M-1 carbine is a light little weapon that is a little bit outclassed by the AK, although I have read that US SF forces in Vietnam continued to use them for years after the M-16 had been issued.
    The M-16 is just a different animal, although it would probably be the closest.

    AK's are undeniably tough and simple.
    One time I was at the range, and there was a guy there with a Mini-14. It jammed about twice per mag, but they were cheap mags, so I expected that. At one point, the action locked open for no apparent reason. It took about twenty minutes to get it unjammed, and there was nothing wrong that we could find.

    I never had any jams with the M-16's that were issued to me, with the exception of a weak extractor spring. That is a bad part, not an issue with the rifle.
    I have never heard of anything like that happening with the AK, nor have I ever experienced a jam with one.
     
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    If wanting to compare the US weapon vs. the equivalent USSR weapon, you can start by saying the M16 was to the US the same as the AK47 was to the USSR. They fired the standard military cartridge of their country, were select fire and included versions with folding/collapsible stocks.

    Following this line of thinking, the Mini-14 could be equated as the US version of the USSR's SKS. These rifles had normal wooden stocks, were semiautomatic only and fired the same standard military cartridge of their country of manufacture.
     
  23. Andrew Wyatt

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    I have fired more ak's (seven or eight, some full auto, some not) than mini-14s. (the only minis i've fired are mine)

    the mini has a superior safety, trigger and rear sight, and at least mine are honest to god 3 inch shooters at 100 yards. that's still minute of people all the way out to 500 yards (which is farther than i'm able to see a people at)

    I'm not that fond of aks, but I don't go around saying they are festering piles of cow dung, or getting upset when people compare them to the mini.

    "the (insert name of gun here) suck" crowd is starting to get annoying.
     
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    I have to agree with Goon on this one. The AK is unique. That does not make it perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it is what it is. That AK is some kind of totaly reliable semi-automatic, although the 7.62 AK round is nothing to write home about.

    I would think the Mini-14 is more like the original, somewhat fragile Armalite/Colt M-16 fielded in Vietnam. And a bit like the M1 .30 carbine (although way more effective then that .30 ammo is the .223).

    I like AKs, and I want to get one some day. That said, I have a Mini, and AR, and one of my faves, a .30-30 Winchester 94 Ranger lever action.
     
  25. Art Eatman

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    Funny. Well, weird-funny. I've heard more stories about problems with guns of whatever sort in my few years at TFL and here than I've ever seen in real life. I'm talking brands/models of guns I've owned with never a problem for me!

    I'm starting to wonder if there aren't indeed folks who can break an anvil with a tack hammer!

    Some folks seem to get all irate when some rifle won't work when used way outside its design parameters. Wanting combat-rifle performance out of a Mini is like buying a Ford Escort and getting all knicker-knotted 'cause it won't pull a 30-foot travel trailer up Pike's Peak!

    From the standpoint of practical need by a U.S. citizen in this year of Our Lord of 2003, there ain't a nickel's worth of difference in performance between the Mini and the AK clones. They're both, basically, fair-to-middlin' 200-yard guns. The Mini has the edge in aesthetics and weight, if that happens to be important to somebody.

    If you like the AK series, get one or some or whatever. If you like the Mini, same-o, same-o. But fer cryin' out loud, whatever gun you own ain't gonna improve your manly prowess! It ain't gonna help ya at the local happy-hour meet-market, either!

    Art
     
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