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Is the ruger scout worth it?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Skillet, Apr 26, 2013.

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  1. henschman

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    I don't think it is worth it, being that there are still FR-8s out there for about a third of the price. I built my own Scout using one of those for around $400, and I like it better than a Ruger.
     
  2. Manny

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    The short barrel won't affect accuracy, but will cost a small bit in power due to velocity loss over a longer barrel, not enough that it should ever matter to any animal hunted with it though.

    If you have need of the special features of the GSR the price is fair, and the rifle a dandy. For a hunting rifle though I'd look at the new Ruger Guide Gun. It has a similar stock, standard floor plate instead of the box mag, a 20" barrel, great iron sights and looks like a great hunting rig to me. Unforfunately I think the only LH version is chambered in .375 Ruger. Certainly a great hunting round, but maybe a bit much for your needs.

    Here's a link to a review by Gunblast:

    http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-375GG.htm
     
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    and open sights, forward scope rail, user adjustable length of pull.
     
  4. BruceB

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    For Fathers' Day 2011, my wife gave me MY CHOICE of the Ruger 1911 pistol, or the recently-announced left-handed Gunsite Rifle.

    I opted for the GSR, which I didn't actually get until Christmas of that year.

    NO REGRETS! My rifle arrived with a very smooth action, and a trigger sufficiently light and crisp that I've never even thought of removing the stock to work on it (almost unheard-of, for me).

    Medical events have prevented much shooting with it, but the limited experience I have indicates a very satisfactory level of accuracy.

    I have a number of other "service-type" rifles, but nothing that comes close to filling the niche occupied by the GSR.

    Is it worth it?

    YES.
     
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  5. baz

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    Have you owned a Ruger? If so, fair enough. Otherwise, the FR-8 is a fine platform to create a scout rifle with, and there is always some pride and satisfaction from creating something of your own. But there are some legitimate differences between the two that might lead some to think the Ruger is worth the extra $$$. Such as magazine capacity (not to mention detachable mags). Or greater flexibility in the ammo choices (since many caution against using commercial .308 in the FR-8). I really don't think the two are very comparable, and it certainly isn't the case that the FR-8 is "better." I have the GSR, and I also have an M44 in a scout configuration (at closer to $300 invested, than the $400 you spent on your FR-8). And while I like it a lot, it would never really occur to me to compare it to, or say that I like it "better" than the GSR. Now if you've owned a GSR, and there was some things that turned you off about the experience, then share them so that the OP can better determine if the GSR is for him. Frankly, I think there have only been two substantive responses to his questions. One has been to allay his concerns about accuracy, and the other has been to question whether this is the best gun for elk at long ranges. And the latter may be a relevant concern. But if the GSR is not up to that task, I somehow doubt that the FR-8 is somehow better suited to it.
     
  6. GriNgOboNeZ

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    This rifle seems to bring alot of passion out of people. Love it or hate it, it's a handy bolt action thats accurate as well in typical hunting ranges scoped or with the iron sights. I paid $800 for mine and couldn't be happier. As for those who can't justify when there are other rifles available, some of us don't want a project or something used that might possibly be screwed up somehow. I wanted new and Rugers customer service sold me.
     
  7. bolthead

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    I agree with ngnrd here. I have handled the rifle and I like it but this would definitely not be my optimal choice for an elk rifle. You have a .308 which is considered by many to be in the lowest acceptable tier for an elk cartridge. Add a short barrel which will rob the cartridge of the marginal kinetic energy it has. My understanding is that elk are often/always hunted at distances greater than 100 yards. A long eye relief scope and the limited selection of them would definitely hinder me on a hunting trip like that. Cooper designed this rifle to be a compromise for survival hunting and self-defense. I think a more specialized rig would do way more good in this situation.
     
  8. baz

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    Exactly right. That said, if one could only have one rifle, the GSR might be the more versatile choice. While it might not be ideal for elk, it could be pressed into service for that. I responsible hunter would probably want pass up the longer range shots, and do some stalking to get closer. But inside 300 yards, I wouldn't hesitate to take a shot with my GSR. Now I do have a 2-7x scope on it, and not just the more common 2.75x many have, and that would make a big difference to whether I would take the shot.

    All we can do is just acknowledge the pros and cons, and then make the choice that works best for each of us.

    As for:
    Not all would agree:
    If you really want a thorough weighting of the pros and cons of various cartridges for hunting elk, "read the whole thing."
     
  9. usurp31

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    If you ever have the opportunity to try one, I recommend highly giving it a go; very nice shooting scout.
     
  10. 4anedge

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    My reloads do not work in the Scout Rifle and don't know why. I've switched primers and still have dead strikes about every third round.
    Been reloading for 40-years, never had this problem before.
    Makes me want to sell my Ruger Scout Rifle. If interested in purchasing this Rifle please contact me.
    Thanks
    -Mike
     
  11. tomrkba

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    Rather than complain, call Ruger and ask for their advice. There may be a problem with rifle.
     
  12. X-Rap

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    I like Ruger 77's but haven't ever paid over $450 for one, the features of the Scout won't likely change that.
     
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    I considered the GSR for a long time. It was hard to leave it alone as it feels so nice in the hands. Then, I also considered that it is practically the only left handed bolt rifle with back up iron sights commonly available. So hard to not throw down a thousand bucks for one. But . . . I concluded that an intermediate cartridge semi auto fit my "scout" needs better and I should have a dedicated hunting rifle with a more powerful chambering for my hunting needs.

    I think we don't want to admit that we don't need a "scout" rifle as Cooper envisioned. When we have a rifle with us, we have a specific need for it to do; and in the small chance we need it for something else, it's not like a more specialized rifle couldn't cover it.
     
  14. X-Rap

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    I think that is the irony of the Scout Rifle. Reality says many of us don't need just one all purpose rifle and the few who, due to economics may have to get by with just one could buy 2 or 3 for the same amount as a single Scout. The closer one gets to the original intent the more individual guns one could buy.
     
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    I've had zero issues with mine, I really enjoy shooting it, the accuracy is excellent and it's perfect for hunting in my region.

    Who is paying $1000 for a a ruger scout? I paid $900 out the door, taxes and all.
     
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    Oh how times change. A little bit ago, I caved-in a bought a Ruger Gunsite Scout. :eek: Somehow it grew on me. Specifically, it was the peep sights, and the overall balance. I haven't put a scope on it, and probably won't. Given my change in attitude and affinity toward this rifle since post #25, I may just end up adding a scope in the future. Never say never, I guess. :)

    Geno
     
  17. mdauben

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    I tend to see-saw between (1) thinking its a flawed implementation of a questionable design concept and (2) wanting one really bad. :rolleyes:
     
  18. captain awesome

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    I also think you can do a lot better for your purposes. 308 can take out an elk, 30/06 is a better choice, 300 winchester is a better choice than that. A longer barrel would suit you better. I doubt accuracy would be much of an issue but terminal performance might be. Elk are pretty large animals particular bull elk if that's what you're after. If I were hunting elk and expected potentially long range shots, I would take my 338win. ruger 77. If I expected a lot of walking and wanted lighter weight but serious knockdown power, it would be my tc encore 300win. Again, that Ruger scout is a very cool rifle imo, and COULD do what you are asking, but its not the best choice or the best price for whaT you want it to do.
     
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    Years ago I had issues with my Ruger 77 MKII in .308 Win with NATO-spec ball ammunition (hard primers) and primer ignition.

    Replaced the striker (firing pin) spring with a heavier Wolff unit and solved it.
    Wolff claims the factory spring is 21 lbs, they sell 24 and 28 lb springs for the same application. My recollection is that I went with the 24 lb spring.


    I believe the Ruger Scout is based on the same action design.

    http://www.gunsprings.com/Rifles%20%26%20Shotguns/RUGER/77,%20MKI%20%26%20MKII/cID2/mID52/dID226
     
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    It's a sweet little adaptable rifle for sure. :cool:

    If people have a hankering for a GSR and the money, they may like it. And they shouldn't worry about the "Scout" or "Gunsite" moniker on it. It is a rifle that can be many things to many people. That's why I just call it a GSR.

    The way mine is currently set up, it's not exactly a scout. Maybe if it were called a Handy rifle . . . nah, that wouldn't work. H&R already has that name, plus it wouldn't sound cool enough for the Ruger marketing department.

    Even though it outweighs the rimfire rifle below, it feels no heavier when shouldered for firing due to less metal that far out from the shooter. So yeah, it can be short and it feels downright handy.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Maybe Ruger did something to fix that problem. I have had no light strikes in my GSR with 7.62 NATO ammo so far.
     
  22. Hummer70

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    rodregier is exactly right, Wolff Spring extra strength is the way to go for lots of rifles.

    Insofar as the true purest Scout Rifle is concerned they are a bit light for me but Ruger has done some things that really make it neat:

    They made it with shoot all the way through lunch magazine.

    In the second generation they put spacers in the stocks so you can fit those of us with no necks all the way to the gorrillas.

    They made it with laminated stock.

    Installed a flash suppressor.

    Improved the iron sights that are much more utilitarian over the ones Bill approved years ago.

    The safety system on the MKII is probably the best in the industry.

    There is a couple more things I would do to improve it even further. I would thread the end of the bolt knob and install a round phenolic ball about 1" in diameter to make it easier to work in rapid fire. You could also change it to the tapered knobs at your pleasure for about $2.00.

    I would change the location of the lower sling stud to the side of the stock about 3" in front of the buttplate to allow the carry of the rifle muzzle down and close to the back so it won't hang on low branches etc. Take a look at Swiss rifles.

    Redesign the rear action ring to allow for 1903 Springfield stripper clipes to be used for rapid reloading of the mags.

    I have about five rifles set up as wannabee Scouts right now and they all have longer barrels and heavier barrels. I generally recycle target barrels to other rifles and set them back and rechamber them and I can have a very good trigger pull and a easily replaced scope system.

    Here is how:

    Take a target barrel, cut threads off and set back to new rifling and re-thread. About ten inches in front of action quickly reduce diameter of barrel down to .800" and run that to with 1 1/4" of muzzle. The last 1 1/4" turn it to .752".

    Get a Weaver 92A base and drill and tap the barrel starting at the .800" diameter and mount a pistol or a scout scope on it. Base and rings can be had for about $25.00 and doesn't take anything fancy to mount the scope like $55.00 bases etc.

    Put 11deg crown on muzzle.



    Get black 3/4" chair leg protectors at Lowes (4 pack) and use as muzzle caps.

    Go out and shoot up about 5000 rounds and set barrel back again.

    If you want to get very exotic take a M16 birdcage flash suppressor and drill it out to just smaller than the theads and turn barrel down and thread 1/2X28 and screw on flash suppressor. The you can buy M16 muzzle caps for the bird cage on ebay for a few cents each and be set.

    I suspect you will find you have a 22" barrel that shoots very well indeed.
     
  23. Welding Rod

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    It's a Ruger. I wouldnt buy one without a thorough examination.

    I was looking a GSR in a local store the other day and the flash arrester was mounted crooked as hell on barrel. Didnt surprse m a bit. While Rugers are sometimes a good value, from all their obvious mistakes I have encountered over the years I believe their QC is the most slipshod among the major US manufacturers.
     
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    I like that idea. There is a GSR owner that did that very thing over in this thread. Look halfway down for CoyoteGray's posts.
     
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    That is a nice rifle you have there Roadkill, I was thinking on getting one of those, how is the accuracy and does it hold twelve rounds or ten? :)
     
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