cheygriz
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What do you think?
Is the U.N. Worthwhile?
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bad_dad_brad
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Yes. But frankly, get rid of the veto power in the security council. I think you need a security council, but veto power of one member is stupid.
Remember the only way the U.N. went into Korea was because the Soviet Union walked out before the vote. Of course, they did it on purpose to make sure they had their little proxie war, and in retrospect, it worked well for them.
The U.N. does a lot of good things that never make the papers.
Of course, if a State disagrees with the U.N. they should be free to go it alone.
Remember the only way the U.N. went into Korea was because the Soviet Union walked out before the vote. Of course, they did it on purpose to make sure they had their little proxie war, and in retrospect, it worked well for them.
The U.N. does a lot of good things that never make the papers.
Of course, if a State disagrees with the U.N. they should be free to go it alone.
TheLastBoyScout
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the UN! without american beans, bullets, bombs and blood backing up their silly @$$ ideas, they ain't nothin.Ala Dan
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I voted NO- Get the U.S. out of the UN!
It seems as though Secretary General Koffie Annan
has major differences with the United States Of
America. And France, Oh Well- see how well they
like jumping from an aircraft without a parachute!
Best Wishes,
It seems as though Secretary General Koffie Annan
has major differences with the United States Of
America. And France, Oh Well- see how well they
like jumping from an aircraft without a parachute!
Best Wishes,
MitchSchaft
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What schild said.
clem
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NO, get the US OUT! They are nothing but a bunch of blood suckers.
Get out and give them 48 hours to leave America.
If they are still here after 48 hours arrest them as spies.
Then after 48 hours, tear the friggin building down.
Bastards!
Get out and give them 48 hours to leave America.
If they are still here after 48 hours arrest them as spies.
Then after 48 hours, tear the friggin building down.
Bastards!
Stay in the U.N. and veto anything that might be adverse to our interests.
Get the U.N. out of the U.S.
Pay membership based on population. We are 1/24th of the worlds population, so our yearly fees should be 1/24th of all membership fees.
Make the French representatives wear pink skirts, except for the women... They just might be the ones to wear the pants.
Get the U.N. out of the U.S.
Pay membership based on population. We are 1/24th of the worlds population, so our yearly fees should be 1/24th of all membership fees.
Make the French representatives wear pink skirts, except for the women... They just might be the ones to wear the pants.
JPM70535
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Get the U.S. out of the U.N. as rapidly as is humanly possible, cut off all funding, Give them 30 days to get out of the U.S. and take their DEBATE SOCIETY somewhere where the pacifist drivel that seems to be the mainstay of every meeting will be more appreciated, LIKE FRANCE.
I have absolutely no use for any organization whose overriding interest is the creation of one world government with every nation being an equal partner and having an equal say.
Today there is only one super power in the world and we are it.
YEA THOUGH I WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY OF THE SHADOW OF DEATH, I SHALL FEAR NO EVIL.
FOR I AM THE MEANEST *** IN THE VALLEY!
I have absolutely no use for any organization whose overriding interest is the creation of one world government with every nation being an equal partner and having an equal say.
Today there is only one super power in the world and we are it.
YEA THOUGH I WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY OF THE SHADOW OF DEATH, I SHALL FEAR NO EVIL.
FOR I AM THE MEANEST *** IN THE VALLEY!
Tamara
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I'd have warmer feelings towards the organization if I could think of one worthwhile thing they've done in the last 50+ years...
Still thinking...
There must be something...
Ooh! Wait! Think of how much revenue would be lost by NYC cabbies who make their living shuttling the non-English-speakers of the Absurdistan delegation to JFK by way of Bangor, Maine!
Still thinking...
There must be something...
Ooh! Wait! Think of how much revenue would be lost by NYC cabbies who make their living shuttling the non-English-speakers of the Absurdistan delegation to JFK by way of Bangor, Maine!
geegee
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More than 50 years ago, my mother and father both worked for the U.N. It was in Germany immediately after the Second World War. My father had spent the entire war in a German Slave Labor camp, having been taken as a young teenager from his home in Yugoslavia (as he says, "If not for Mr. Hitler, I may have never seen Germany."). My mother was working in a civilian capacity, attached to the British Army.
Because of the fact that my father spoke 5 or 6 languages fluently, and since there were millions of DP's (displaced persons) wandering the European continent with no home to return to, the United Nations Relief Organization (UNRO) served a vital function. Many of these people were in the process of trying to reunite with family members, or just find out what the fate was of lost family members. Anyone possessing the language skills of my father was in high demand, for obvious reasons.
My mother had a high ranking administrative position and was very familiar with the workings of the British Army. She was working with them and the new U.N. in an attempt to aid in the the reconstruction of a war torn Europe (she was also present at the Nuremberg Trials, and has given me some fascinating first person accounts).
To my reckoning, that's the last example I've ever heard about the U.N. getting something right. Once the dust settled and most of these folks either re-settled back to their country of origin, or in the case of what was left of Euorpean Jewery, relocated to Israel, the U.N. quickly became what it is today: a group of self congratulatory, impotent, socialist windbags, whose major goals are to shake down the United States for as much dough as possible, derail any constructive reforms lead by the United States, and finally to enjoy "living large" in New York City, while their fellow countrymen live out their lives in their 2nd or 3rd rate countries.
I don't remember what Monty Python movie had this scene, but as a castle was being stormed from the front gates, a guard looks down on them, and spitting strongly says in a heavy French accent "Ah speet in yahr direct-shun!" Exactly.
geegee
Because of the fact that my father spoke 5 or 6 languages fluently, and since there were millions of DP's (displaced persons) wandering the European continent with no home to return to, the United Nations Relief Organization (UNRO) served a vital function. Many of these people were in the process of trying to reunite with family members, or just find out what the fate was of lost family members. Anyone possessing the language skills of my father was in high demand, for obvious reasons.
My mother had a high ranking administrative position and was very familiar with the workings of the British Army. She was working with them and the new U.N. in an attempt to aid in the the reconstruction of a war torn Europe (she was also present at the Nuremberg Trials, and has given me some fascinating first person accounts).
To my reckoning, that's the last example I've ever heard about the U.N. getting something right. Once the dust settled and most of these folks either re-settled back to their country of origin, or in the case of what was left of Euorpean Jewery, relocated to Israel, the U.N. quickly became what it is today: a group of self congratulatory, impotent, socialist windbags, whose major goals are to shake down the United States for as much dough as possible, derail any constructive reforms lead by the United States, and finally to enjoy "living large" in New York City, while their fellow countrymen live out their lives in their 2nd or 3rd rate countries.
I don't remember what Monty Python movie had this scene, but as a castle was being stormed from the front gates, a guard looks down on them, and spitting strongly says in a heavy French accent "Ah speet in yahr direct-shun!" Exactly.
geegeeNo. The UN has just turned itself into the League of Nations.
However, we should remain in the UN.
Why?
Easy. As long as we're in the UN, we can stop them from doing anything and everything by exercising our veto in the security council.
Yes, the UN is pointless at best, dangerous at worst. But as long was we maintain a veto on the security council, we can get them to do what we want when we're able, and just ignore them when we aren't.
Useful idiots.
Mike
However, we should remain in the UN.
Why?
Easy. As long as we're in the UN, we can stop them from doing anything and everything by exercising our veto in the security council.
Yes, the UN is pointless at best, dangerous at worst. But as long was we maintain a veto on the security council, we can get them to do what we want when we're able, and just ignore them when we aren't.
Useful idiots.
Mike
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AFAIK one of my coworkers stayed at a UN-run refugee camp somewhere in Southeast Asia after he escaped from Vietnam. He was a ARVN (South?) Vietnamese lieutenant and was a POW for 8 years.
One heck of a story. Forgot what country the camp was in (Thailand, Philippines?), not sure what exactly what the UN's role was for folks that wanted to escape the Commie regime?
One heck of a story. Forgot what country the camp was in (Thailand, Philippines?), not sure what exactly what the UN's role was for folks that wanted to escape the Commie regime?
Nanook
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I too would like the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US. They are a waste of space in NYC. All they seem to do is badmouth the people that are bankrolling their little debating society.
And that reminds me, has there ever been a UN secretary-general that wasn't from the Third World? Why is that? I think the closest they came was Dag Hammerskold (spelling?) way back in the '50's who was from a Scandinavian country. Now it's someone like Annan from an African pesthole, trying to run the world when his own country doesn't even have indoor plumbing.
And that reminds me, has there ever been a UN secretary-general that wasn't from the Third World? Why is that? I think the closest they came was Dag Hammerskold (spelling?) way back in the '50's who was from a Scandinavian country. Now it's someone like Annan from an African pesthole, trying to run the world when his own country doesn't even have indoor plumbing.
I cannot give my opinion, for this is "The High Road", but I am sure most can figure it out very quickly.
BTW, can anyone think of why the 9-11-2001 bunch hit the World Trade Center insted of the UN building? ? ? ?
Makes ya go "Hmmmmmmmm........"
p.s. Here is a hint on my UN opinion
BTW, can anyone think of why the 9-11-2001 bunch hit the World Trade Center insted of the UN building? ? ? ?
Makes ya go "Hmmmmmmmm........"
p.s. Here is a hint on my UN opinion
Jack19
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Why the US, with no Constitutional requirement to do so, has mired itself in the messes of the third world Marxists and Socialists is beyond me.
US out of the UN, UN out of the US!!!
geegee, I think that was "fart" in your general direction, even more appropriate. LOL
US out of the UN, UN out of the US!!!
geegee, I think that was "fart" in your general direction, even more appropriate. LOL
geegee
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Jack19: Come to think of it, that was the line! geegee
geegee.45Ruger
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The U.N. is just an excuse for third world dictators to bash the U.S. and feel important in the world stage.
at least the league of nations finally realized they were irrelevant -something the un seems chronically incapable of understanding. The sooner we're out of it (and it's off American soil) the sooner their whole house of cards collapses, and the better off the world will be.
chaim
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Hey, can't forget that highpoint in UN history when they had Kurt Waldheim (SP?). You know the guy, the one who became very controversial when he became Prime Minister (or equivelent, I'm not sure what they have there off hand) of Austria because of his Nazi past. Click your heels, shout "Seig Heil", commit war crimes, and so long as they are against Jews, Russians, Poles or Americans you have a future in the UN.
shooten
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The most interesting thing that I've read about the UN in the past week is that the man that the US trusted to develop the framework (eg. security council, veto power) was a spy for the USSR. The deck was stacked from the beginning. Alger Hiss had a large role as well. Someone here said that the USSR wasn't present for the Korean war vote, it probably wasn't was an accident. We need to speak softly and carry a big stick (veto power).
To make this shooting related, I passed my hunting safety class last weekend and am looking forward to a wild boar hunt this year.
Scott
To make this shooting related, I passed my hunting safety class last weekend and am looking forward to a wild boar hunt this year.
Scott
About 300 U.S. Marines stationed at Twenty-Nine Palms, California, got a reality check in 1994 when they were required to participate in a "Combat Arms Survey" asking how they felt about statements such as:
"The President of the United States has the authority to pass his responsibilities as Commander-in-Chief to the UN Secretary General";
"I would swear to the following code: 'I am a United Nations fighting person...'"; and
"I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government."
Wow. I say stay in the UN, and help keep it in check. Prevent a New World Order, and if it gets to the point that they're asking for the keys to the US to start a world wide governement... kick 'em out and tell 'em Molon Labe.
"The President of the United States has the authority to pass his responsibilities as Commander-in-Chief to the UN Secretary General";
"I would swear to the following code: 'I am a United Nations fighting person...'"; and
"I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government."
Wow. I say stay in the UN, and help keep it in check. Prevent a New World Order, and if it gets to the point that they're asking for the keys to the US to start a world wide governement... kick 'em out and tell 'em Molon Labe.
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