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Is there any way to improve the Glock?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Airman193SOS, Nov 29, 2008.

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  1. Airman193SOS

    Airman193SOS Member

    May 21, 2007
    I admit that I used to be a Glock fanboy. The first handgun I ever fired was a Glock 22, and the first handgun I ever purchased was a Glock 27, which I still have.

    I know that Glocks polarize opinion, mostly because of their appearance and their fans, who unfortunately assert with regularity that the Glock is the be all-end all of handguns. Let's put that aside for a moment so we can address this objectively.

    How can the Glock be improved? For instance: compared to my Kimber Tactical Ultra II 1911 the trigger is a bit mushy, but it is certainly better than the double action pull on my Sig P239. Is there any way to get it closer to the Kimber?

    That does not need to be the focus of the discussion, of course, I'm simply opening up the floor for debate. As it is I think the Glock is a perfectly serviceable handgun, maybe even the standard to which all others are judged (although 1911 fans will vehemently disagree). That said, what would you do differently if you had to design it all over again?
  2. CPshooter

    CPshooter Member

    Nov 6, 2006
    I would have gone with a dove-tail mounted front sight over the pinned style. I'd also have a metal recoil guide rod instead of plastic. The plastic does work just fine though...maybe it's worth the weight savings?

    The most common thing you'll get is "the hump on the grip" or "bad grip angle" complaint. You'll also hear how much people hate the "knuckle grooves." I personally feel that the compact (19/23) and sub compact (26/27) glocks are very comfortable and I like the knuckle grooves myself. The larger full-size glocks don't feel right to me at all.

    As far as grip angle goes, I agree it doesn't point as "naturally" as some other guns, but after spending some time with a glock you start to realize that the grip angle actually helps for rapid-fire control and overall shooting technique. That's been my experience anyways. When I'm done shooting my Glock 19, my USPc almost feels weird in my hands.

    I can still see where some of you are coming from with the "hump" problem. Some people have strangely shaped hands or hands that are too small to comfortably shoot a glock. I don't have that problem so I really enjoy shooting any of the non .45/10mm Glocks.

    IMO, Glock is still the end all-be all of PRACTICAL and FUNCTIONAL defense auto pistols. All that said, I hate where they are going with this upcoming 4th gen Glock...yuck! I'll stick with my 3rd gen 19.
  3. denfoote

    denfoote Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Near the border of occupied Azlan and Mexico.
    I'm tempted to say no.

    However, there is one area that Glock needs to address and that is the stock sights!!
    All of my Glocks have had the sights stripped off and replaced asap!!

    I have short stubby fingers so I wish Glock had included the extended mag release and slide stop controls with the stock gun.

    I think rails are silly, so I have no love of that on the new frames!!

    An extended ten round magazine would have been a nice addition to the G36.

    That's just about all I can think of right now. ;)
  4. jerryrigger

    jerryrigger Member

    Aug 15, 2008
    glock is probably the standard for reliability. most people with 1911s (myself included, and you can probably lump me in with the crowd that thinks the best handgun ever is the 1911) try to get our (tightly fitted) 1911s to function as well as todays glocks. the difference, though, is that the 1911 that went to war 60 years ago is somewhat different, and somewhat more "glock-like" that the 1911s we shoot today. although I have never handled an old gov. model 1911, I have heard reports that some even rattled they were so loosely fitted, which translated into effective combat accuracy and a pistol that would feed and shoot anything with great reliability even in terrible conditions, much like glocks do today. When 1911s became more tightly fitted, and thus extremely accurate pistols, they lost some of that great reliability. that being said, my tightest 1911 has fed 100% since day one, and is my most trusted pistol, so there is certainly the ability for this pistol to be tight, accurate, and reliable. now, I also like glocks, and I think that their simplicity of operation is second to none. they can also be extremely accurate, and after my 1911s, the glocks in .45 are my favorite guns to shoot, and I find them to be very accurate and reliable as well. I know that at some point in the future a glock .45 will make its way into my collection. they are rugged, seem to be boringly dependable, and I would much rather beat up a glock that my 1911s...I like glocks much more than sigs or hks that I have shot...

    as far as improvements...glock should offer interchangeable backstraps the way ccf raceframes do, because probably the biggest complaint I hear about glocks is that it doesn't fit everyone's hands, or feel comfortable in everyone's, which is very true. the second problem is the trigger, which can be changed with many aftermarket trigger groups/accessories. the third problem, for me and some other users, is the lack of an external safety. I would not have a problem carrying a glock the way it is, but I think that an external safety is an important part of a weapon. I'm not sure if this comes from learning at an early age that putting a weapon on safe is an important part of gun safety, and that I believe it does help to prevent accidental discharge, but whatever the reason, I think it is an important part of a pistol (especially a pistol, as I also think they have the potential to be the most dangerous type of firearm). I also read somewhere that manual safeties can help to prevent your gun from being used against you if it is taken from you, as your disarmer might not know how to operate the safety, at least immediately. It is also important in the case, however remote, that your gun is found by someone else, say a child, who thinks it is a toy, or even an adult who does not know how to operate it. If there is a safety, he or she might not be able to operate it, whereas if there is not, all bets are off, and that is a very very bad scenario. now, all guns should obviously be unloaded and secured so that this never happens, but sadly this scenario does happen, and a manual safety MIGHT help it from resulting in injury or death. just my .02, and sorry for being so longwinded...
  5. legion3

    legion3 Member

    Jun 20, 2006
    NO :uhoh:

    Night sights and maybe on the smaller models replace the serrated trigger with the smooth but IMPROVE ???????

    The nerve! ;)
  6. johnnylaw53

    johnnylaw53 Member

    May 12, 2007
    Yes trade it in for another weapon

    Be Safe
  7. preachnhunt

    preachnhunt Member

    Jan 6, 2007
    Central Ky.
    I would like removable grip panels so you could dress one up and personalize it a bit.
  8. RX-178

    RX-178 Member

    May 9, 2008
    Anchorage, Alaska
    A CCF race frame, is in my mind, a great improvement.

    That being said however, I'm not SURE if it retains the same reliability of the stock handgun, as I replaced the stock frame just a few months after I got the pistol.

    That's one thing that does bother me a little, if only for the sake of considering it an IMPROVEMENT, rather than a trade-off (after all, I don't consider my Glock 17L to be a 'fightin' pistol').

    And with all the different aftermarket accessories and replacement parts, there DOES tend to be something of a trend of modified Glocks being less reliable than factory stock Glocks.
  9. burningsquirrels

    burningsquirrels Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    i would add interchangeable backstrap panels on some models to help those with smaller hands perhaps... not sure where else. other than that, it's a great gun.

    you can't have smooth triggers on the small models. i think they call them a "target trigger" and they need that feature to gather enough points for the ATF's import system, which is one of the reasons we don't have a 380 glock offered in the united states.
  10. Catalina

    Catalina Member

    Mar 1, 2007
  11. jocko

    jocko Member

    Mar 8, 2008

    the finest safety every made for a glock


    right where it should be and not plastic either
  12. Balrog

    Balrog Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    I wish they put a frame mounted manual safety on it. Otherwise, I see no reason to change a thing.
  13. Deanimator

    Deanimator Member

    Mar 30, 2006
    Rocky River, Ohio
    I don't believe in lights on guns either. That's why when I bought a Glock 19, I bought a police surplus 2nd Generation Glock 19 without a rail.
  14. Ben86

    Ben86 Member

    Sep 9, 2008
    MS, USA
    Yeah, night sights and maybe a steel recoil rod. Also, grip extensions for the sub-compact models. That's about it. I wouldn't want the 3.5 pound connector for anything but competition. Something like that can not only cause accidents, but hang you in court.
  15. Gun Slinger

    Gun Slinger member

    Jul 25, 2007
    I think that the Glock is just fine as it is with the possibility of two minor, yet easily and inexpensively corrected attributes.

    First, I'm with those who call for better factory sights on the Glocks.

    Of course, since they are so flimsy, they pose little difficulty in removal and the wide availability of aftermarket sights is almost a curse because there are so many good designs to choose from. The factory tritium night sights are marginally acceptable (those crap-tastic swaged in front sights are just begging to be knocked loose at the worst time), but given a choice I'd opt for Mepros or Trijicons over the factory night sights without a moment's hesitation.

    Second, although the OEM guide rod is just fine as it is, I usually replace it with a more rigid, non-captive, stainless steel unit for the increased strength of the steel over the polymer rod. I keep the OEM captive unit as a "back-up", although in over twenty years of shooting Glocks I've never needed to use it in that capacity.

    Other than that, I think that the Glock is a great pistol (I don't suffer from "The Grip Angle Is All Wrong For Me" Syndrome), and find that it does all that I could ever ask of a service weapon in that it is stone-cold reliable "out of the box" and combat accurate at the distances usually encountered when the situation ends up going sideways.

    For the relatively low price ($550-$600) that you can get a brand new Glock for, I think that it comes pretty darned close to being "perfect" considering that it comes "ready to go" right out of the box.
  16. JImbothefiveth

    JImbothefiveth Member

    Aug 24, 2008
    Better trigger, and maybe they could make one with a steel grip, to add weight. (Or does the polymer grip help with reliability?)

    I'm assuming you mean what the manufacturer could do, not how you could tweak it.
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2008
  17. Japle

    Japle Member

    Feb 28, 2005
    TruGlo TFO sights.
    Lone Wolf or other 3.5lb connector.
    MOST IMPORTANT! - Lone Wolf trigger stop. If you don't do anything else, get one!
  18. louie19

    louie19 Member

    Nov 16, 2008
    Falls Church, VA
    If you want to look at a bunch of different possible mods you could make to your Glock, you should watch "Making Glocks Rock" by AGI - http://www.americangunsmith.com/view.php?id=3

    It is on sale right now at Midway and they have good reviews too about it - http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=186832&t=11082005

    You should definitely install night sights that are made out of steel. You should also probably get a Glock disassembly tool and detail strip your frame and clean/lube the trigger points (aka the $0.25 trigger job). This should make your trigger feel nicer though it still won't be a 1911. You can also get a plug for the lanyard hole of your Glock to keep debris out.

    You could add a frame-mounted safety like the 1911 from Cominolli http://www.cominolli.com/ But that requires cutting into the frame. If you do get it, make sure you get it on all your Glocks so they all function the same.
  19. MachIVshooter

    MachIVshooter Member

    Aug 11, 2005
    Elbert County, CO
    Already been done

  20. Prepster

    Prepster Member

    Jun 21, 2008
    ^LOL. I agree the M&P is a better Glock. Same reliable functioning with better sights, steel, and ergonomics (although that's subjective).
  21. jerryrigger

    jerryrigger Member

    Aug 15, 2008
    Another thing that I would like to se done to the glock, and I'm not sure how possible this is, but who knows...if it really is perfection, then maybe it is possible...is if Lone Wolf, or maybe glock itself, could come up with a 9mm conversion kit for 45 ACP glocks...I love 45 ACP, but since ammo cost is somewhat high in that caliber, I think that, if it is possible (I know frame dimensions etc. are not the same as 9mm/40/357 glocks, and thus mags aren't the same etc.) it would be an even bigger selling point for them. I'm just very comfortable with 45 for "real world" use, but at the range my wallet cringes at purchasing 45 ammo, and the 9mm kit could help that substantially. Here in Massachusetts, though, for defensive purposes, I prefer the 45, because we are only allowed 10 rounds max capacity, even in a 9mm glock that can hold 17ish rounds. if my choice is between 10 9mm or 10 45 ACP, I'll go with the 10 45 ACP.

    BTW-Does anyone know another reason why a kit for 45 ACP isn't made? Would the conversion involve more than just a different mag setup (more spring changes, could the chamber not be changed with an aftermarket barrel to accommodate the smaller cartridge etc.)? Or is there just not the demand? Thanks in advance!
  22. krs

    krs Member

    Jan 16, 2006
    Tall Trees
    I put Heinie sights on my G19 right away, and I have a lead bullet barrel for it. Other than that it's a great gun.
    I did buy an M&P new for $399. the other day and it's at my FFL as of this morning. I'll be able to make a direct comparison but I doubt I'll give up the G19 no matter what the M&P is limke for me.
  23. M203Sniper

    M203Sniper member

    Mar 23, 2008
    I live in Arizona
    ...if you had to design it all over again?

    1. Offer a model line without the rails. (19/23 -21SF/30SF - 34/35/36)

    2. START with a 4 pound trigger, revolver like trigger.

    3. Serrations on top of the slides.

    4. Novak style Night Sights - standard.

    That's about it. The M&P (best trigger) and XD (good grip really crappy grip safety) tried to be better Glocks and each have strong points - but they're still just copies of the original "wonder nines" concept - they really don't bring anything useful to the table.
  24. Brian Williams

    Brian Williams Moderator Emeritus

    Dec 22, 2002
    Kampong Cham, Cambodia
    Get rid of the finger grooves and put in a gold bead front sight.
  25. greyling22

    greyling22 Member

    Aug 6, 2007
    East Texas
    less takeup on the trigger, and ditch the polygon rifling in favor of conventional so I can shoot lead. cheaper pricetag. R&D cost is long since paid for, and plastic is cheap.
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