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Is this Dragoon uhhhh, a little 'funny'?

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Oyeboten, Jan 14, 2011.

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  1. Oyeboten

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  2. kwhi43@kc.rr.com

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    Looks like it has replacement parts on it. Somehow I see Uberti.
     
  3. Oyeboten

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    I think the entire thing is a 'replacement part'...Lol...
     
  4. WALKERs210

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    The one I got from kwhi43 looks a little bit better. Oh yea Phil my son came over tonight, thought I would have to fight him to keep that thing here. Another one on the way to the Dark Side
     
  5. Loyalist Dave

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    Why is the "1922" improperly stamped on the cylinder? The top of the numbers are gone, but there is insufficient wear meaning they were not made by punches to be used on a rounded surface? Isn't that a bit "off" for Colt for that period? Maybe I'm wrong?

    LD
     
  6. dirty dave

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    So many fakes out there I think some are getting better but lot to pay for a copy
     

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    Compare the cylinder markings on a fine cased Third Model Dragoon sold by a major auction house last year for $31,000. The bottom line should read "COLT'S PATENT". The Gun Broker cylinder has obviously been very crudely restamped.
    [​IMG]
     
  8. Rat Blaster

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    This is getting good, pass the pop corn!......I want to learn and old guns, the real ones anyway, are interesting.:)
     
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    cylinder notches look fresh cut !

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  10. DoubleDeuce 1

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    That revolver is screaming FAKE !:cool:
     
  11. Oyeboten

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    Kinda fun, huh!~


    I see what appear to me to be investment Casting sprue 'ghosts' and superficial shrinkage fissures on the Grip where the Stocks are removed -



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    All those tiny dents on the sides of the Wedge area, and, all the dents and deformation on the Barrel top above...might even be 'genuine', if the Revolver belonged previously to someone who would hit it with things in those areas, trying to get the Barrel Assembly off of the Arbor ( instead of using the Loading Lever on a half-bore position of the Cylinder, to do it ).
     
  12. Berkley

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    On the left, the "U.S." on the frame of a martially marked Third Model Dragoon with a serial number about 400 numbers away from the one in question. On the right, the one in question.
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  13. Oyeboten

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    In Berkley's comparative imagea above -

    Where the Brass Trigger Guard meets the Frame, on the authentic Original, we see a refined Bevel leaving a sort of almost Knife edge to the Brass, parallel to the lower Frame...

    On the impostor, we see an indifferent treatment there.

    Also, some difference to the profile of the lower Frame itself...where the front of the Trigger Guard ends.
     
  14. Berkley

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    -Flayderman's Guide to Antique American Firearms
    Colt Firearms 1836-1960, James E. Serven
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    "COLT'S PT. F.A. MFG. CO. HARTFORD CT. U.S.A." was not used until after Sam Colt's death, during the cartridge era (factory conversions and original cartridege pistols).
     
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    What's the meaning of the cylinder engraving "MR"?
     
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    That is what you call a "fifty-footer".
     
  18. Shoot The Moon

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    Is it possible to prove it's provenance by the screw threads? Are copies not metric??
     
  19. Oyeboten

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    In this instance, Screw Threads are the least of his worries.

    But, if all else were 'right' and, Screw Threads not-right, it would suggest one is looking at a very very good copy, anyway.
     
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    An obvious copy with totally incorrect markings. Now if it was $500 and not $50000 it would be cool to own.

    About as real as my Paterson.

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  21. mukluk

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    Your Paterson is a lot more believable, at least you didn't attack it radomly with a Dremel and hammer/punch.
     
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    I compared my Uberti to the comparison photos and my cylinder markings are very close to the original. Except it doesn't say Colts Patent, that space is blank.

    My Uberti has very few markings. Only about 5 faint proofs, 2 serial numbers, and the cylinder markings. There are no markings at all on the top of the barrel.
     
  23. Loyalist Dave

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    I have a question??? Could it be an antique fake? I mean somebody made it 100 years ago to fake being a Colt, sold it as such, and so it's an antique fake, and not a faked antique? :D Might be cool if it was such, but you folks are right, not worth $5K.

    LD
     
  24. BHP FAN

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    Yes, it is. Very humorous.
     
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    Does Gunbroker have a policy about sellers marketing fakes as originals or is it just buyer beware?
     
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