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Is this safe?? Planes flying in the background at a range..

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by noob_shooter, Apr 11, 2010.

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  1. noob_shooter

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    I was at the shooting range and about maybe no more than 1000 yards out and 1000 ft high (could be less), planes are flying across the range where we're putting bullets. Turned out, there's an airport just a few miles East of the range.

    Those planes were 50-150 passenger planes. I was like, "***?" :scrutiny: I know it's unlikely to accidentally discharge a weapon up into the air like that or having someone intentionally do it, but still....
     
  2. kostyanj

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    There's an airport less than 1.5 miles away from my range, and there's planes flying around all the time. Although, it's a trap range so shotshell doesn't travel nearly as far as rifle or pistol ammo.
     
  3. marktx

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    Similar situation at my local range and I didn't think anything of it until I went out on a rainy evening to shoot some tracers. Even though you might not hear them buzzing away there are lots of ricochets that fly up at the most random angles even when shooting into a dirt berm. I won't shoot anymore if there are planes visible on approach, the odds of actually hitting a plane are very low but in my mind it's better to pause shooting for a minute than take the risk.
     
  4. noob_shooter

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    here is a pic

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    i took this photo. See the white in the sky? yes, that's the plane
     
  5. DougW

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    Looks a lot further than 1000 feet. That would be 333 yards (approx), and I assume the back stop is 100 yards. Only my observation though.
     
  6. noob_shooter

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    In the center of the image where you see those plie wood targets and steel plates(hard to see), that's 200 yards. The range goes up to 300 yards but can't see it in this picture.
     
  7. Matt-J2

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    I'm fairly certain the planes from the airport there are out of reach at the point they go 'across' the backdrop. Shooting out in Shiocton, we're even closer to the little airstrip there. I keep an eye out for em, but I don't worry overmuch about it unless it looks like they're coming in real low.
     
  8. noob_shooter

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    Matt-J2,

    yes.. i go to that range (good range) often and that was the first time i've seen a few planes across the range. I just thought it was weird how planes are so close like that..
     
  9. Matt-J2

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    I like the range as well. Shiocton is nice in that there's no rangemaster, doesn't have rapid fire restrictions, and only asks for a $3 donation each trip. It's also open year round, which I like since I shoot year round. Of course, the lack of rangemaster has it's downfalls, like people jumping forward of the firing line to pick up their brass without saying anything.
    At any rate, Outagamie Regional Airport is about a mile north and several miles east. So dependent on flight path upon take-off, the airliners could be at least that far away. If they follow the path of the runway, then they'll be headed northwest. Could swing closer if they're headed south, of course. I wouldn't worry about it too much, they should be well out of range at that location. It is kind off odd to see them moving around the edges of your vision though.

    Oh, and to the rear of the Shiocton range by a few hundred yards is the rest of the local park, like a playground, swimming pond, softball fields(those are further off a bit), etc.
     
  10. Z-Michigan

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    The plane in your photo is a mile or more away (1760 yards+) and well over 1000ft AGL. Probably 2000 AGL or more. Incidentally, pattern altitude on approach for that size plane is usually 2000 or 2500 ft AGL depending on the airport.

    There is no way your shooting would be a danger to it unless you are using a SAM or some sort of WWII era anti-aircraft artillery (e.g. 88mm and up).

    It's good to be conscious of all safety concerns, but I don't think there's any concern here. And I wouldn't want to give the anti's some new false grounds for trying to shut down the range.
     
  11. PigButtons

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    I used to be an Air Traffic Controller, and the FFA thoroughly checks everything within 5 miles of an airport handling commercial traffic. If they haven't shut you down it is because you are not a threat to the aircraft, period. Good to ask questions though.
     
  12. DIM

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    Unless you are shooting 50 bmg or 20 mm planes are safe :D
     
  13. LoneCoon

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    That's nothing. One of our local trap ranges in Vandalia butts up against the airport.
     
  14. Sediment

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    I got you beat, across the street for the range in an airport. And a skydiving school. Given the winds on some days the divers come in for a landing right over the skeet and trap fields. They're low enough you can see the OMG :what: look on their faces. I've yet to hear about any of them getting hit but I know it scares the crap out of Mom and Dad on their wedding anniversary to see a shotgun blasting clays apart just a few hundred feet below.
     
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    Not a chance...that plane is a lot further out. If it were 1000yds out and 1000ft high it would just about knock you off the firing line at take-off (exaggeration...but it wouldn't be pleasant to say the least). Nothing to worry about from what I see in the photo...except for maybe a few birds flying nearby.

    :)
     
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    You're not going to hit that bird with aimed fire much less accidental. It's a lot further away from the range than it appears.
     
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    Were there any terrorists there trying to down a commercial airliner with a .50? :uhoh:

    Cracks me up when the antis say that. Yes, planes were downed with .50s and .30s ... on auto. M2s and M1919s had AA versions and both were put in B17s, if I'm not badly mistaken.
     
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    Another thought crosses my mind. The only way to cover those thousands of yards would be to aim up at an angle right? well that target is already up at an angle so you lose some of that ability. How much of the optimal 45* is already eaten up?
     
  19. Gritacular

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    would it not be more likley for the bullet to cause damage when it lands?
     
  20. DIM

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    I have little Cessnas and crop dusters flying over my range, at much lower altitudes, but non of them got down yet, not by bullets firing at the range at least, the picture of b-17 down by flak I deleted sorry flak, my joke wasn't recognized
     
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    If you hit that plane while shooting at those targets...I'd say you're doing something wrong.
     
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    I shoot at range 14 rod and gun club at ft. dix n.j. and mcguire ab is right next door. planes flying around all the time ,plus next to our range is a .50 cal range and they fire full auto. no planes down as of yet
     
  23. Drako

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    no expert but if I had to guess that plain is atleast 2 to 3 miles out. and at that distance and its speed. my opinion not many worries but its always good to be cautious of suroundings.
     
  24. joed

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    If you think you can hit that plane in the photo you need to learn about ballistics. No offense intended but that is a very long way off even for an anti aircraft gun.
     
  25. DIM

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    new joke

    If you have any sign of these guys at the range, then yes planes flying at lower altitudes might become endangered :D
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    By the way this is not Russian KPV, this is Browning M2E50
     
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