Is this time different - is this a tipping point?

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  1. Citadel99
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    I'd also say that every school shooting is going to be like this one from here on. Kids will be documenting the fear with video from the inside. It's real and it's palpable. And can be lived over and over with a click of the mouse.

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  2. Ignition Override

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    How about the people who didn't want to buy or sell a gun on Armslist?

    I'm curious about whether their perspectives have changed. Maybe they would still rather have the govt. storing a record (to later be deleted?) of all of their gun deals, unless dealing with a friend or family member.

    Even if a certain type of rifle were to become banned, which is Unlikely, the rest would still be "grandfathered". An "Assault Weapons Ban" (if like the last one) would Not ban the gun, just a few evil features.
     
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    One of the least talked about issues with Australia's ban and buy back is that they know they did not get anywhere near all the banned guns. I have seen numbers that estimate that they are "comfortable" with the perhaps 25% that were turned in.

    Canadian compliance with bans was hovering just under 10%, which is one of the reasons that their registry was defunded. (That, and it was silly--you can get 18" Norinco M-14 clones all day, or Mini-14, but nothing that even looks like an AR.)
     
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  5. Warp

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    No...that's not preaching to the choir
     
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    Lack of access to guns
     
  7. Aim1

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    This one definitely seems to have more lasting effects from people than the last ones.
     
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    I would say the reason that Remington is restructuring is simply increased competition.
     
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  10. Creature

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    The only difference is that this is the first school mass shooting to occur under Trump's admininstration. The antis have had their agenda machine in wings ready to go and have been hoping and waiting for this incident to happen since Trump took office.
     
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    No after Sandy hook Calpers and Calstrs dumped any investment that made Firearms, Cerberus moved Freedom Group(Remington Outdoors) into a different investment project, after SH most public pensions won’t touch any firearm company stocks.
     
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    Maybe a bit of an overstatement considering some of largest teacher retirement pensions, including CA and NY, invest in firearms stocks.



    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2018-02-22/teacher-retirement-funds-in-12-states-hold-gun-company-stocks

     
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    so was “most public pension” an exaggeration or a prognostication ;)

    I think because of the last administration(record gun sales) firearms companies didn’t feel the full effect of divestiture, if Sandy Hook was the tipping point then Florida could be the point of no return with firearms companies investments.
     
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    If you believe that the NRA actually has your back I would encourage you to do more research, there has not been a gun ban written that the NRA was not involved in drafting. They are 100% behind the bump stock ban, they were 100% behind the last assault weapons ban, they were 100% behind the gun control act of 68, they were 100% behind the gun control act of 34. They are in the business of making money on scaring people about losing the rights they are helping to take away behind closed doors. They are not on our side, they are not pro 2A, they are pro make themselves richer...

    It is time to cut of their cash flow and send the money to an organization that actually cares about 2A rights with no compromise like Gun Owners of America.
     
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    The GOA? Oh please.

    The GOA is good at taking money...and not much else.
     
  16. Aim1

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    Probably right on this one.
     
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    Umm... no. First off, the NRA was not the same organization at that time that it is now. The NRA-ILA, which is the portion of the NRA that is dedicated to lobbying for our rights, wasn't created until 1977. The NRA itself was mainly "just a gun club" until that point, although it was the largest gun club and did dabble in policy. For example, we have the NRA to thank for the GCA of '68 not including a national registry and database of gun ownership. That seriously was on the table, and that's one of the few well documented and known examples of the NRA's involvement in guiding that policy. Further, the NRA was instrumental in pushing for the FOPA of '86, which reversed many of the more onerous portions of the GCA of '68.

    Further cite a reference that the NRA back the '94 AWB. The NRA spokesman at the time, William Mcintyre, came out publicly against it. I will even link the news article if you like...

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1993-11-18/news/9311180157_1_brady-bill-ban-assault-weapons-violent-crime

    The NRA is not without it faults, but no other organization has furthered our individual 2A rights more than they have and anyone who is intellectually honest knows it.
     
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    I will tell you that the propaganda is selling a lot of rifles. I was in a reloading store this afternoon for a couple pounds of powder and the owner said they sold 6 months of ars in the last week and a half.
     
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    Not necessarily....confiscation IS the stated goal of Pelosi, Bloomberg et al.

    Better and faster instant communication fueled by a rabid liberal political agenda and media

    Not really, LOTS of guns all over the world; we just seem to make more of deal about them (on both sides of the aisle) than anyone else.
     
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    Not from a specific retail ammo perspective.
    .223 ammo prices on Gunbot spiked immed. two days after Newtown.

    This moment on Gunbot (ammo search engine), the lowest prices have not gone up, at least not for the huge selection of steel-cased ammo. It jumped Immediately after Newtown.

    Retail gun shops--whether demand is much higher or not--have huge incentives to push any plausible warnings to increase any and all sales. Many people seem unable to comprehend this. It's the classic German/Russian fear of encirclement
    Have people forgotten what happened at least once, since the '08 election?
     
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    We are talking about the behavior of crowds. To figure out how dumb a crowd will behave, you usually find the dumbest member of the crowd and divide their IQ by the number of people in the crowd.

    ARs are selling briskly. Over the course of this week, the price of an M&P Sport II AR has gone up $50 at Bud's.
     
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    Yeah, but...$50 on an AR...back in early 2013 Colt 6920's were going for $3,000...PMAGs were as high as $100 each...and 5.56 brass ammo was $1/round...with most websites completely sold out of all of the above.

    Currently you can get a Colt 6920 with Magpul furniture for less than $1,000...magazines for $10-$12 each...and IMI M193 5.56 for $0.24 per round delivered
     
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    Hopefully that remains the case. There was a lot of slack in the pipeline, so it would take a pretty big demand surge to tighten things up that much. That said, Palmetto now says there will be a 5 business day delay to process orders.
     
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    "Tipping point"?

    Yeah, I think so.

    The whole monstrous lie that you don't need a gun because the police will "protect" you is collapsing in on itself, and the despicable sociopaths who've promoted it are being exposed for the pathological liars that they are.
     
  25. Carl N. Brown

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    "... NRA were 100% behind the last assault weapons ban ..."
    Diane Feinstein press release for Assault Weapon Ban 2017: "The first Assault Weapons Ban was just starting to show an effect when the NRA stymied its reauthorization in 2004."

    I guess NRA were 100% behind the last assault weapon ban ... trying push it down a flight of stairs. Or something.
     
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