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Is triple 7 really worth the ertra money

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by pghrich, Sep 16, 2012.

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  1. pghrich

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    I just started trying out pyrodex in lieu of real black and so far i like it, but was just wondering if 777 is really worth the extra moey, is accuracy better? Can you wait longer between cleanings? What other advantages does it offer?, thanks pghrich
     
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    Around here, tripple 7 and Pyrodes are close in price and real b/p is scarce, and since it's about 15% stronger than real b/p or pyrodex then yes it's worth the extra, as long as it's not more than 15% more in cost. As far as cleaning, it produces less residue and is supposed to be less corrosive than real black, but I clean all my guns after each session, so it's no different to me. Clean up is the same and relatively easy, with no noticeable sulphur smell, another plus.
     
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    Good for cap guns but won't go bang in flintlocks. I have also heard that it has a shelf life once opened. Another excuse to shoot more.
     
  4. ridgerunner1965

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    i dont care for it. it does seem to work well but ive read many probs with shelf life. it is easily twice the price of real black powder around here so that and the shelf life suspicions keep me from gettin very excited about it.i use real black in both my inlines, my caplock and my roa pistol.

    if you have trouble finding real black powder, look for some of the old mom and pop gun stores. often they will stock it for their regular customers. the big names like wal mart and bass pro wont in my area.
     
  5. pghrich

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    Gander usually has it but limited supply, apparantly they are only allowed to keep 25lbs total stock in at one time, so sometimes i must wait a couple weeks for it to come in hence the reason for alternates, pghrich
     
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    777 all the way for me. It's easier to find, much less fouling, not nearly as corrosive as real black of pyrodex. Clean up is a breeze.
     
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    I'll pass due to the cost...Of course I've been shooting for free for years. I have a buddy or two that won't use caps or Pyrodex two seasons in a row for fear of it going bad and spoiling the big hunt. I gladly take their left overs and have yet to have any not go bang.
     
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    My father gave me a tin of Rem #11's, 2 lbs of Pyrodex P and 1 of RS that are ~15 yrs old and they go bang as well. Have they deteriorated? Not the caps. Couldn't say with the powder, but it hasn't failed.
     
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    777 is so filthy that I wouldn't buy any more of it even if the price was half that of black powder. That is my personal opinion ... and the only one that I consider.
     
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    It is to me. It's all I use in my GPR.


    That's interesting considering that I've found it to burn A LOT cleaner than Goex, is easier to clean up and less corrosive. I've fired as many as 40-50rds in a session without running a patch down the bore.
     
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    I like it. I only have 3 pounds though.
     
  12. Lunie

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    In my opinion, not really.

    Not that I have found, compared to black powder.

    Possibly. It will depend on the circumstances, but there probably isn't enough of a difference to be excited about. (It really doesn't matter, in my opinion.)

    I don't have the density info in front of me, but I believe that 777 is somewhat less dense than BP. When measuring both by volume, the one that is less dense will offer more "shots per pound", which could offset the higher cost.

    It wasn't worth much, but you're welcome.
     
  13. KevinR

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    One thing I can tell you about 777, dont compress the charge or
    (Seat the Bullet Hard) your pressure will drop off.

    Tried it, hate it, dumped a full bottle out in the gravel driveway.
     
  14. CraigC
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    Triple7 was the first powder I tried in my new GPR because I could find it locally, rather than driving two hours to Dixie Gun Works. For obvious reasons, it's all I've ever used. It burns cleaner, fouls less and you can indeed go longer before cleaning. You can also do a hell of a lot of shooting in a session without swabbing the bore. I don't know that Goex wouldn't shoot as well but I really haven't had the urge to find out.

    Three shots at 70yds.
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  15. MCgunner

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    What WILL go bang in a flinter aside from BP which is outrageously expensive to order a couple of pounds of. Can't buy it at a store, so have to order it.

    I have 777 on hand and Pyrodex. Just for paper shooting, I like Pyrodex. But, for hunting, 777 packs a lot more punch, really spices up my inline AND my ROA. I like it for serious applications, but shoot more Pyrodex than anything else and if I could buy BP economically in small lots, I'd shoot it due mainly to its ease of ignition, but I can't, so I won't, not for now. If I ordered 10 lbs of it it could be considered economical, but I don't really want the rest I haven't fired buried with me. :rolleyes:

    I've yet to exceed the shelf life of 777 if it has one. I know APP's shelf life on the Texas coast is about a week. :rolleyes: I trashed that crap, but 777 is some good stuff in my inline. It's a little easier to clean up in the revolvers, but it's not like Pyrodex is a big deal to clean up, still gotta soap 'em up and rinse 'em with hot water just like I did with BP when I could get it.

    BTW, for accuracy, I have NOT found that I can shoot 777 any more than BP or Pyrodex without swabbing the bore. It still fouls enough to throw off accuracy after several shots. It will also rust the gun just like BP or Pyrodex if left uncleaned.
     
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    I shoot full compressed charges in my ROA and it roars a 220 grain conical out near 1300 fps from a 71/2" barrel. Not sure where you're getting pressure drops off. If anything, it increases.
     
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    Of course it will rust a gun, but NOT "just like" Pyrodex or Goex.
     
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    I personally love the 777 pellets and have not had any issues with shelf life at all. been using the same box for three years now maybe longer and never had a misfire yet. as long as you store it properly you will be fire. also it is very easy to clean up and makes range time better. i usually run a patch down the barrel after every three sots just cause thats my habit. As long as you clean up at the end of the day and dont leave it sit in the case for days before cleaning then cleanup is super easy. it usedd to take me more then an hour to clean up after a day at the range and i had to run patches after every shot with other powder pellets but the 777 is a dream.
     
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    I havent tried the 777 yet,I,ve been using pyrodex,both RS and the P and works well.I will buy one lb. and test it out though.
     
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    I'll only shoot american pioneer powder in my ROA.I've used 777 and pyrodex but i like (white powder}APP much better.There is no residue build up so I can shoot 40-50 times without having to clean it and all it needs to clean up is hot water.
     
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    Im kinda funny,I run black powder in my black powder guns.That 777 stuff is a lil hot imho,probably better for a modern in-line shooter/gun than a real BP gun.
     
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    Not to me it ain't.

    First of all, I would like to address a misconception many of you are laboring under, the cohesiveness of real Black Powder. Real Black Powder is not as corrosive as most people think. I go through close to twenty, yes twenty pounds of real Black Powder every year in Cowboy Action Shooting. Contrary to popular belief, it was the combination of Black Powder AND corrosive primers that caused Black Powder fouling to be so corrosive. We don't use corrosive primers any more, so the fouling is not as corrosive as it used to be.

    In point of fact, I seldom clean my firearms that I have shot with Black Powder the same day, I'm just too tired at the end of a day of CAS to clean two revolvers, a rifle, and a shotgun. I do try to clean them within a week, but I can tell you there are many times I have gone much more than a week before getting around to cleaning my guns. I am too embarrassed to tell you how long I have actually gone. When cleaned properly, after many days of sitting with Black Powder fouling, my guns come out squeaky clean with no corrosion.

    Secondly, cleaning guns after shooting real Black Powder is not difficult. It is messy, but so is cleaning the subs. Any good Black Powder solvent, I use a home made mix, with plenty of water in it will clean BP fouling just fine. It actually requires LESS elbow grease for me to clean my BP guns than it does to clean my Smokeless guns with Smokeless fouling in them. Messy, yes, but it is not difficult.

    Finally, everybody here seems to have missed the real advantage of both 777 and APP. They can be used with regular Smokeless bullets with regular Smokeless Bullet lube. When loading cartridges with real Black Powder, BP compatible bullet lube is required to prevent the fouling from hardening in the bore. I go through considerable work casting my own bullets for Black Powder cartridges and lube/sizing them with SPG. Having done all that work, 777 has no appeal to me, also it costs more than real Black Powder. But if you want to shoot cartridges and get lots of smoke, but don't want to go through the hassle of preparing your bullets, then both APP and 777 are the ticket.
     
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    Loaned my '51 navy to a buddy once back in the day, a can of FFFG. He brought it back to me a week later froze up and lookin' like it'd been in the bay for a year. Yes, BP IS corrosive. I clean my front stuffers ASAP, no naps or relaxation until they're clean and oiled regardless of the propellant. The only thing that I leave uncleaned for a day or two is my smokeless cartridge guns. I burn smokeless in ALL my cartridge guns, but I don't shoot any games. Have done IDPA and IHMSA, but CAS never really appealed to me. I can't get past the dressing up like Hopalong and taking some stupid "handle"...fun to some, weird to me, I guess. :D Guess I'm not a "purist". Different strokes.....
     
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    All I can tell you is I go through about twenty pounds of Black Powder every year. Have done so for close to ten years now. As I stated before, if I wait a while to clean my guns, they always come out shiny clean when I am done.


    Perhaps you had corrosive caps 'back in the day', whenever that was. Or perhaps 'froze up' and corroded are not the same thing. Yes, leave a BP gun uncleaned for a while and it will bind up, but that is not the same as corrosion.
     
  25. Pancho

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    I've been muzzleloading since 1964 and most of it done with bp but I'm not adverse to Pyrodex. I bought a lb. of T7 to give it a try cause I'm not stuck in the 60's but I've not used it yet because I'm put off by the "do not compress" thing. I've seated a lot of rounds over the years and that last bit before seating the round and compressing the powder can be a grey area depending on fouling and such.
    What I'm saying is that I'm on the fence about T7 because I would prefer a powder that is not fussy about compression.
     
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