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Is your state or town on this list?!?!?!!?

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  1. cpileri

    cpileri Member

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    Is your state or town on this list?!?!?!!?

    The list:

    1. Madigan, Tacoma WA
    2.Ft. Carson, Colorado Springs CO
    3.Eisenhower, Augusta GA
    4.Womack, Ft Bragg NC
    5.William Beaumont, El Paso TX

    6. Ft. Belvoir, VA
    7. Ft. Hood, Killeen TX
    8. Ft. Jackson, Columbia SC
    9. Ft. Benning, Columbia GA
    10. Ft. Sill, Lawton OK

    11. Ft Knox, Louisville KY
    12. Ft. Campbell, Clarkesville TN
    13. Ft. Wainwright, Fairbanks AK
    14. Ft. Polk, Leesville LA
    15. Ft Rucker, Ozark AL

    16. Ft. Leonard Wood, Waynesville MO
    17. Ft. Eustis, Newport News VA
    18. Tripler, Honolulu HI
    19. West Point, NY

    Please evaluate these places for Gun-Friendliness!!! In terms of CCW, Class III, no pending bu!!$&*^ laws (like MO) and no end to the gun-utopia in sight, etc.

    I am also interested in the places themselves. Any comments like: You'll love the stinging nettles and foot long mosquitos! are appreciated, as it will help me. So will comments about the real estate, hunting, crime, and just living there or near these places in general.

    Well, I alluded to this event in threads past, but it has finally become time to list places that i may be assigned to in a few months. Yes, these are the choices. I lef toff the overseas choices here. I expect you guys may well recognize that these are all Army installations. Hoo-ah!

    Oh, and other comments like: the unit assigned here gets deployed every 2 weeks to scrub toilets, or whatever is also handy!

    This is personally the most imperative thread I have posted, so I deeply and sincerely thank in advance all who reply!!!
    C-
     
  2. Holly76201

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    #7, Killeen, TX {Ft.Hood} would be my hometown.
    My Daddy was a civilian, tho, not military.
    However, one of my BILs was stationed there as a young 1st Loo [he's now a Light Col, if that tells you how long ago it was]. He says it wasn't as bad as some of his other postings, but not as good as others. IMO, it beats the pants off Baghdad Int'l Airport, his current location.
    Killeen has rather mild winters, compared to even more northern parts of TX. It's not as humid as Houston or SanAntonio.
    Summers are hot, but find a place in TX that isn't.
    Not too bad for allergies or mosquitos.
    Never noticed a bad snake problem, but the only tarantulas I've ever seen I saw in Killeen.
    That's about all I can think of at the moment.

    Holly
     
  3. Justin

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    Colorado Springs-

    All around good weather. Milder than N. Colorado, and doesn't get as hot as New Mexico in the summer.
    General culture is politically conservative, but with enough young people to keep the place from being stodgy.
    If you like micro-brew beer, CO is the place to be. The Springs is home to a couple, including the Bristol Brewing Co.

    Very gun friendly, especially now that concealed carry applies to the whole state.
    NFA stuff is legal, and if you've got the dough to buy Class III, Dragonman will sell you something.
     
  4. Zundfolge

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    EDIT: Darnit ... Instaposted by Justin :banghead:
    If you like beer then the Bristol Brewery is excellent ... and its about 3 blocks from my house :D

    Ft Carson is just a couple miles down the road from me (I can see Cheyenne Mountain when I step onto my front porch and Ft. Carson is in the shadow of Cheyenen Mt ... and NORAD is deep inside the mountain).

    The area is about the best you can get gun friendly wise (with the acception of Vermont and Alaska with their no-permit CCW).

    Class III? check
    Shall Issue CCW? check
    No pending Bovine Scat laws? check
    Major local newspaper with a very Libertarian editorial staff (that has been publicly pro-2A)? check http://www.gazette.com/
    Good gun shops? check
    Plenty of places to shoot? check one free range, one inexpensive pay range (that allows MGs) and one real nice private range that I need to get off my butt and join.

    Only downside gun-wise is the lack of indoor ranges.

    Other then guns the Colorado Springs area is beautiful, has lots of other non gun related things to do outdoors ... plus all the amenities of a metropolitan area of about half a million people. Crime is pretty low, and the air is clean, clear and pretty dry, bugs are not an issue (I can count the number of mosquitos I saw this summer on one hand ... and they where small and slow). Realestate is not too bad here (not like up in Denver) and right now its a buyers market. This city is also VERY pro-military (what with Fort Carson, Peterson AFB, Schriever AFB, the USAF academy and NORAD) the hippies here know to keep their yapps shut (for the most part) ;)

    Only downsides to the CoSp area are water restrictions in the summer (which we may not have next year as it appears the draught may be over) and I think the weather is a bit sketchy on the north end of town (but I on the south end ... just south of downtown ... between downtown and The Broadmoor area and if you're in the Army you'll probably want to live on the south end).
     
  5. Bowlcut

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    12. Ft. Campbell, Clarkesville TN

    Just an hour up the road from good old Nashville TN. Im actualy going on post tomorrow morning for my job. Middle TN most any time of the year is very pleasant. Only in the dead cold of middle of winter does it get blustry, or middle summer it can get hot and humid. For the most part no nasty vermin/critters that like to bite or suck ya. We usualy get 4 nice seasons unlike some other places. Most alergy people dont tend to have a problem here.

    City life in Clarksville...very minimal. They just got a Hooters tho if that tells you anything. They seemingly rollup the sidewalks at 11pm. No real mall to speak of, and few small mom and pop places. Its very weird like that. Also its a college town with Austin Pea State University right there.

    TN is pretty relaxed for ccw or any weapons. There arent many ranges up that way off post, most are about 45 mins to an hour drive away. Few decent stores that carry guns, tons of pawn shops tho.
     
  6. priv8ter

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    Hey...#1 on the List!

    Madigan, Tacoma!

    Madigan is actually south of Tacoma, which is a good thing. It means you can live in one of the more rurual, out-lying areas, instead of being stuck in the I-5 corrider, if that floats your boat.

    CCW is a breeze in Washington. Go to the sherrif's office, get printed, fill out one piece of paper, shoudlhave your card in the mail 7-10 days.

    Can't carry in Hospital's or schools in Washington(in addition to all the normal no-no places ie Court Houses, Airports, Post Offices.) Of course...you can't carry on the Fort Lewis base either...

    Class III...let's see...I believe in Washington, it is legal to own, but you can't buy here...need to go to Oregon or Idaho for that. No limit on how many guns you can purchase at once.

    Climate...I love it. I don't mind it grey though. Really only two seasons though...Grey and 40, Clear and 75-80. I like it myself, but it takes some getting used to hearing folks complain about 80 being too hot.

    Madigan is a great Hospital, by the way.

    But there are signs that things are going south)as in Kalifornian. Pierce County(Tacoma's) Health Department is looking at putting out one of those Public area smoking bans...which, as a small 'L' libertarian, I don't like. There are plenty of non-smoking resteraunts and pubs around(and I'm a non-smoker).

    I think you would like it here...
     
  7. outfieldjack

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    8. Ft. Jackson, Columbia SC

    It gets hot, but SC is a "gun friendly" state. We have indoor/outdoor ranges and a few gun stores.

    Jack
     
  8. CRUSHER

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    Ft. Knox is just a few minunits away from Knob Creek Range, It has one of the largest Machine gune Shoots in the USA
     
  9. David Park

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    6. Ft. Belvoir, VA

    Fort Belvoir is just south of Alexandria, and I drive through it on Route 1 to get to my local range. I'm not military, but in this area it seems like I'm the minority. The Pentagon is just up the road, Quantico is not too far to the south, and everyone else seems to work for defense contractors. :) I get the impression Ft. Belvoir has a lot of R&D stuff going on.

    CCW: Shall issue, no B.S. Open carry with no permit is also legal nearly everywhere you can CCW and a few places you can't, and I've never heard of someone being hassled by the cops.

    Class III: I've heard the Fairfax Co. sheriff is good about signing the paperwork, and he was just re-elected.

    Future B.S. gun laws: Highly unlikely. The state is solidly Republican (with a few RINOs), and our Democrat governor courted gun owners to get elected. He's followed through on his promises and signed every pro-gun-rights bill that's made it to his desk. The Virginia Citizens Defense League is a very active grassroots gun-rights lobby group, and they're pushing to repeal existing anti-gun laws with some success.

    General gun-friendlyness: Pretty good overall. Fairfax Co. has a waiting period for handguns but everyone buys in nearby Prince William Co. anyway. The only other stupid things are VA's one-handgun-a-month law and no CCW in restaurants that serve alcohol. The NRA range is nearby, and there are several other good ranges and gun shops in the area.

    Virginia has good deer hunting, local real estate is not outrageous for the metro area (which is why I live here), crime is lower than the nearby gun-free paradises of D.C. and MD, and the weather is nice (4 seasons, generally mild winters, but pretty humid in the summer). Of course, there are plenty of things to do in the area, even if you have to venture into D.C. for some of them. Mount Vernon, home of the first George W., is right next to Ft. Belvoir.

    The above mostly applies to your #17, Ft. Eustis in Newport News, but that area of Virginia (Norfolk in particular) has some entrenched anti-gun-rights Democrats. VCDL is fighting hard to get equal gun rights for the entire state, and we now have strong state-level pre-emption laws that only allow a few grandfathered anti-gun ordinances to remain.
     
  10. The Undertoad

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    17. Ft. Eustis, Newport News VA

    Home of Transpo, just down the road from me! I've actually been on-base a few times for ROTC training. I'm afraid I don't know anything about city/county laws, but Virginia in general is gun friendly. 1 handgun per month, shall-issue CCW. Most people (except in northern VA :rolleyes: ) are pretty gun-friendly. Actually now that I think on it, a mechanic who's a friend of a friend lives in Newport News and has two Glocks, so I guess their local laws must not be too harsh.

    The area itself is pretty cool. Newport News/Norfolk are mostly (from what I've seen the last 2 years) blue collar, and a good number of military. It snows in the winter but not much. Only problem is nobody knows how to drive in the stuff! (I learned to drive in Colorado, lucky me! ;) ) I know hunting is OK around here, but I don't hunt so I dunno how far you'd have to drive. I'd be real surprised if it was over an hour though.

    As ranges go, there's an outdoor one about 20 mins. from me (more like 45 mins. from Ft. Eustice) and I'm a member of an indoor range in Norfolk. I've never checked out Newport News itself for ranges but I'd be surprised if there wasn't at least one.

    Hope that helps! I know there's at least one other person on here from the general area (I want to say Apple A Day?) and he's older than I am so I bet he can help you more. I've only been here a few years.
     
  11. Mike Irwin

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    "Oh, and other comments like: the unit assigned here gets deployed every 2 weeks to scrub toilets, or whatever is also handy!"

    What?

    I thought you were a doctor?
     
  12. cpileri

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    this is great stuff

    This is grea stuff!
    Exactly what I wanted!

    I was leaning somewhat towards GA until that bit about the 18-month waiting period! Sheesh.

    Mike, you're correct about me. But we still get attached to a unit and if they deploy every 20 minutes to lousy jobs, it gets either annoying or you get on the bad boy list for staying back on post too often to train medics at the hospital.

    C-
     
  13. Mike Irwin

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    Unbelievable.

    HEY DOC! GET YOUR HANDS OUT OF THE SH***ER! Romero needs surgery!

    (Romero) Uh, can someone else do it? I know where his hands have been!
     
  14. D.W. Drang

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    If you're looking for info on CCW ON POST, forget it. Anywhere.

    In general, what you seem to want to know is what are the STATE laws regarding these US Army installations, correct? Number one on your list, Madigan Army Medical Center, Ft Lewis, WA... WA is good on CPLs (shall issue, etc.) , but priv8ter is incorrect, Washington "AC" is NOT a Class III state. At all. Period. No full auto allowed. Oh, you can BUY a suppresor, but you can't USE it. (Actually the law says "sound dampening devices", which seems to outlaw earplugs...)

    And who knows what the deal is with Fort "Lost In The Woods, Misery"... :confused:
     
  15. 7.62FullMetalJacket

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    Alaska. Boy is it hot. :evil:

    I think they just passed the carry whatever you want with no permission law
     
  16. nick89302

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    What about GA's 18 month waiting period? I assume you're exaggerating. I am in the AF with a DEROS of DEC04. I have GA, UT, and AK on my "dream sheet". Do I need to rethink my GA choice?
     
  17. Bill Hook

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    I think both, based on my knowledge of their gun laws, would be out, though Hawaii might still be interesting enough for me to want to try it for the short haul.

    BTW, I lived in 'Bama and it was as easy as getting a card from the sheriff, 3 signatures from people who know you, and less than $10 (this all might depend on your county) for a year permit.
     
  18. stevelyn

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    Ft. Ain'tRight, Alaska is on the edge of town in Fairbanks. Did my last tour there and decided to stay. Alaska did pass "if you can get it, you can carry it" concealed carry that went into effect in September. The option also exists to get an AK CHL for times you wish to carry out of state. AK also recognizes CHLs from all states that issue them. Open carry has always been allowed and is common outside of town. The AK statutes regarding guns address their misuse only. We are Class 3 friendly and most CLEOs sign off on the forms.
    Yes there are mosquitoes there in the summer. They aren't a foot long, but they do come in single, 2 and 4 engine models:D. Fishing for northern pike as long as your leg in some of the remote lakes and sloughs in the interior and king salmon just as big south of the AK Range is awesome. The hunting is great if you have a boat and get off the road system (which there isn't much of to begin with). The AK wilderness is very unforgiving if you make a mistake. Lots of land available for building, but you may have to pioneer it for a while since utilities may not have been established in the area yet.
    However be prepared for some extreme cold weather at times. Temps as low as -40F and colder are common in winter. And I've seen it get down to-67F when I lived along the Yukon and Tanana Rivers. The extreme cold comes and goes throughout the winter and average temps for FBKS are around 0F to -5F. But as they say in Arizona about the heat.........it's a dry cold.
    If you prefer milder and more urban areas, Ft. Richardson in Anchorage is in the same command as Wainright. Be forewarned that to Alaskans or at least those of us from the interior, Anchorage is regarded as the northern burb of Seattle.
    Alaska (Ancorage excepted) is truly a last frontier and you will probably experience more day to day personal freedom here than you've ever experienced anywhere else. That's what kept me here.
     
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    GA: Shall issue (BTW, your military ID IS your CCW. Off base. Check on packing.org). Agusta is on the GA/SC border. Benning is, I think, the home of the Army shooting team. Summer humidity can be brutal.

    Where did you get an 18 month waiting period? GA's instant check supercedes. Forms, money, check, gone.
     
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    What 18-month waiting period? Is there something I don't know?

    The reason GA is #1 on my list is because of the good gun laws, and it's location (Bible Belt=Abundance of Protestant Churches).
     
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    Just a note on Tacoma. There is NO class III period in washington state. BUt CCW is no sweat at all. Also Tacoma in particular has the worst crime in the state by a pretty fair margin. But, the rents are much lower than in seattle for example (but, for good reason).
     
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    I live across I-20 from the Post. Great area to live in, lowest real estate prices in the state. CWP friendly, except the Post. Cannot carry on any military bases. Now, as far as Class III, Richland County's Sherriff WILL NOT sign off. Supposedly, the County Council has told him not to. So if class III is important, get in the city limits. I understand that they sometimes sign off on them. But then you have to live with Mayor Bob, and is money grabbing and assanine business deals that always fall through. Anyone ever hear of AirSouth? That was one of his business ventures at the taxpayers expense. Oh well, I better stop there before I get off topic. :banghead: :cuss:
     
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    Knob Creek just down the road and the whole state is overrun with deer! A few turkey are lurking around too. And also look at the beautiful horses and fast women (or is it the other way around?):D
     
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    Is it possible for you to get stationed at Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, AL? How about Fort Payne? Plenty of gun stores and several ranges in Huntsville and the surrounding communities.

    If your a deer hunter, the season here lasts from October 15th to January 31st. Limits are one deer a day, with some exceptions.

    As far as CCW, it's a may-issue state. However, don't let that dissuade you. All I had to do was show up to the court house, slap down $10, and wait a few days for the results of a cursory background investigation. From what I've heard by friends living in Huntsville, it's pretty much the same process, just a few dollars more expensive.
     
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    Hmmmm...my appologies

    Sorry about the Class III misinformation. A guy I used to work with used to go down to Oregon every few months to pick up surpressors for some of his long-guns, and then he would talk about how he couldn't wait to get a chance to use them.

    Maybe this is something I need to disavow all knowledge of.

    Hmmm...I don't know about these other bases, but I saw something very sad the other day here in Washington. Madigan is located almost across the road from Ft. Murray, which is the HQ for the Washington National Guard. Earlier this week was 'Good Bye ' for about 2000 of our boys.

    Well, there was a small group of protestors standing outside the gate waiting to ambush and ridicule these young wives and kids who aren't going to see their fathers/husbands for the next year!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The only thing that made it the least bit tolerable was the group of folks with 'Support our Troops' signs outnumbered the anti's by about 10-1.

    Still...there are times when I need to question the 'responsible' use of the 1st Ammendment.

    Man, I must be getting old...look at that drifting off the point of the thread.

    sorry

    greg
     
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