Ishapore Rifles in 7.62 NATO

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  1. dastardly-D

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    Does anyone know of any companies selling the old Ishapore 7.62 NATO rifles ?
     
  2. WardenWolf

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    Hello, Dastardly. I would suggest Gunbroker. It's an auction site similar to Ebay (but for guns), and an excellent way to find classic military rifles and you can get some really good deals on there if you just look and know how to work the system. That's really the best way to find classic rifles.
     
  3. DougW

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    I think there is one on Gunsamerica.
     
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    Gunbroker is where you will find them these days. The old Auction Arms and Guns America are possible, too.
     
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    You could post a want to buy on the fora you read -- like here.

    There's probably several guys here that have them, don't shoot 'em much, and would turn loose of it.


    Like me ... maybe.:D
     
  6. ifit

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    2 months ago found one for sale in hopes of purchasing, site I emailed them but no dice on a response :( see if I can find the site and will let ya know.
     
  7. ifit

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    Here's the web site
    http://www.rcarms.com/
    Can't seem to find it though, unless I missed it
     
  8. Jackal

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    If you do get one, DO NOT SHOOT STEEL CASED .308 IN IT!!!

    Steel cases do not not expand in the chamber correctly for an Enfield. I had a Tula steel cased round blow my Ishy up a few years back. Something about steel not expanding and relieving the peak chamber pressures.
     
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    Blow up or blow back?
     
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    Ishapore

    Thank you all for your replies, I already have one and was looking for another. Yes, I'll be on the lookout on Gunbroker... and thanks about the tip on not using steel case rounds. I have part of a box of Tula I shot in my Ishapore, they were so lousy dirty and inaccurate I don't know if I'll ever finish the box ? I guess I lucked out on mine not blowing up . Thank you all ! :)
     
  11. nathan

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    I sold mine. I ll stick with my Lee Enfield No 4 in .303 a classic ...
     
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    Case head ruptures are an issue running steel cased commercial .308 in the Ishy. Thats what mine did and there are other reports online as well. Ishies generally have generous chamber dimensions for thick brassed 7.62x51 and the thin, steel cased .308 case doesnt like to stretch to fit the larger dimensions. Bottom line, saving 15 cents per round isnt worth damaging your rifle or yourself (I suffered a bloody wrist, still have metal bits in it and a bloodied cheek". Thank god the old war horses have good gas handling characteristics.
     
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    Why would anyone think about running steel 308 in an old military action? Thats just asking for trouble. Milsurp for the milsurp. Russian for the russians.
     
  14. WardenWolf

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    The Enfield design isn't a particularly strong action. It was one of the weakest of World War II (contrary to popular belief, the Carcano was actually quite strong). They reinforced it to handle .308, but even then it was just barely safe with the ammo of the time.

    Basically, if you're going to shoot these rifles, stick with light loads and proper brass-cased ammo.
     
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    Where are you finding surplus .303 these days?
     
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    They are hard to find, I've been trying to find one in my area for awhile, or the Gibbs 45/70 one lol
     
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    Yep.... same thing happened to me. No more steel for me.

    Link if interested.

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=595460
     
  18. Jackal

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    Picking slag out of your left wrist is no fun at all....
     
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    Junk for Junk ... Ishys are crapola junkers.

    Get rid of it before you hurt yourself.
     
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    The Ishapore rifles made in the 60s for 7.62 nato are supposed to have improved metallurgy etc to handle the cartridge. The older rifles converted from 303 to 7.62 are considered to be the especially dangerous ones.
    I have never had a problem with mine, keep in mind that I only shoot brass cased ammo.
    If Ishapores are junk then all Enfields are by extension junk. IMO Ishapores are made as well as any other Enfield.
     
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    Improved metallurgy doesn't entirely negate a weak design. Enfields aren't junk. In their proper .303 caliber they're a perfectly fine rifle. But the design simply doesn't scale well to more powerful loads. The Krag Jorgenson was another such rifle. There's been lots of evolutionary dead ends in rifle design.

    Enfields are most loved for their smooth, fast action and sights. You could easily incorporate the bolt design and sights to an otherwise completely different receiver that was inherently stronger. But they didn't even significantly alter the design, which is the problem. The Enfield simply reached its limit, and trying to push it further was foolish. That it was also wholly obsolete at a time when the US and most other major countries had adopted semi-automatic or fully automatic designs just makes it worse.
     
  22. JHansenAK47

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    The Enfield was used effectively in 7.62 nato in several different variants.
    http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sniper-rifles/brit/enfield-l42a1-and-enforcer-e.html
    Obsolete in what capacity? They were used as sniper variants by the UK.
     
  23. nathan

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    The Mumbai massacre showed pictures of local police still using Lee Enfield No 4s. I bet they still have those Ishapores in .308s issued to local militias in the provinces.
     
  24. Ash

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    They were also used to lethal effect against the Chinese in their border wars.
     
  25. joem1945

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    I shoot my reloads in mine. Only steel goes in a CETME and M44 or 91/30 rifles.
     
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