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Islamist Snuff Films to Become Propaganda Weapons

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Solarian, Dec 11, 2003.

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  1. Solarian

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    Has anyone read this article regarding Islamists adbucting and brutally murdering Westerners on tape?

    http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/m-n/marzullo/03/marzullo120903.htm

    Seems like a very good reason to stay armed and aware AT ALL TIMES, regardless of the times when inconvenient. A reminder to ourselves, wives, family, and friends to be ever vigilant and to always carry! Don't complacent and think it can't happen here in the good ol' US of A.
     
  2. Denton T. Young

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    Thanks for the "heads up". I'll add it to the list of things I have to worry about.
     
  3. Jack19

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    Amen to that.

    Recently the Israelis arrested a Hamas member, who was also a Canadian citizen (don't get me started on the Canadians), who was training with an M16 to come here for a little target practice.

    It's coming folks.

    Not to hijack the thread, but here's the story....

    Hamas Planned Attacks In North America [ "New York is an easy place to find Jews"]Arutz Sheva ^ | Dec 08, '03

    A gag order was lifted today permitting the publication of the planned Hamas terrorist attacks by Jamal Akal, 23, from Nutzeirat in Gaza, just south of Netzarim. He was taken into Israeli custody five weeks ago. Akal was living in Canada for several years and holds Canadian citizenship.

    Security officials report that he arrived in Gaza recently for what he reported was a family visit. It was learned, however, that he was finalizing plans to assassinate a senior Israeli official visiting the United States, as well as perpetrate other attacks.

    Akal admitted to his interrogators that after arriving in Gaza, he met with Ahmed Wahabe, a senior Hamas terrorist from Nutzeirat, who asked him if he could assist Hamas in Canada. After Akal agreed, Wahabe instructed him to gather information via the media on any senior Israeli official who might be arriving in the U.S., and to learn as much about his itinerary as possible.

    Wahabe also asked Akal to attack members of the U.S. and Canadian Jewish communities, either by shooting or by bombing their homes and/or cars. "New York is an easy place to find Jews," Wahabe said, and advised him to train with an M-16 rifle.

    Wahabe also told Akal to contact people in the mosques in which he prayed in Canada, and raise funds, ostensibly for the families of suicide bombers. In actuality, however, the funds would be used for purchasing a weapon and financing his expenses in monitoring his prospective targets and in perpetrating the attacks.

    Three days before Akal was due to return to Canada, Wahabe contacted him again, taught him how to use an M-16, and practiced with him near Netzarim. Wahabe also gave Akal theoretical and practical instruction in making bombs.

    A high-level emergency terrorist alert was declared this morning in the Petach Tikvah/Rosh HaAyin area in central Israel, but was gradually diminished. Police believe that the terrorist or terrorists who were reportedly on their way into a Sharon-area city to perpetrate an attack have backtracked because of the high police deployment. Traffic on several highways was brought to a near-standstill, and at least one east-west road was totally closed. The police and security forces deal with some 30-40 terrorist warnings each day.
     
  4. RTFM

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    Hey, Solarian, welcome to THR!
    The more members we have, the stronger we become.
    Thanks for the heads up.

    RTFM
     
  5. moa

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    Did you catch the nasty beheading tape with a knife?
     
  6. Solarian

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    Hello all, thanks for the welcome.
    Nope, haven't watched the video - just don't think I want that stuck in my brain. Just knowing that it happens is enough for me. But, I get the idea from the article and hearing from others the gruesome nature of the murder.
     
  7. WonderNine

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    Why oh why did you have to put a link to that site.

    This is the last place I'd expect to see that kind of crap.
     
  8. Solarian

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    Wondernine, I don't quite see your point in it's being crap. Don't these Islamists want to kill every one of use? Remember what happened to Daniel Pearl? Maybe I don't understand your meaning. I just hope that the title is fair warning to anyone that would rather not consider the barbaric tactics that may be used against us. Is it true? Maybe. Is is false? Maybe. I'll just be sure to to carry a P7M13 or M8 at all times.
     
  9. Derek Zeanah

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    You don't want to watch it. It gives you a better feel for human anatomy than you need. :(

    Hard to get those images out of your head, either. There are mean people in the world -- I understand the need for firing squads, and can even understand why some would choose to execute prisoners after they're no longer useful (most aren't as nice as us), but being mean and cruel about it is just inexcusable. A bullet is more humane. :(
     
  10. Derek Zeanah

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    That's what I keep being told, but it's difficult to get a reliable source for the comment.

    As an aside, these tapes are a wonderful incentive for troops to refuse to surrender. Better death due to high explosive or bullet than being executed on tape for some political purpose.

    This'll backfire.
     
  11. Sunray

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    "...don't get me started on the Canadians..." And? What do you know about Canadians? Where was this published? None of this has been published in Canada, because it's never been proven that this guy was involved in anything? He's never been charged with any crime. Up here you have to actually be charged with a crime before you get convicted. We like to call it 'innocent until proven guilty'. I seem to recall reading in your Constitution it's the same Stateside.
    Our government, as fornicated vertically as it is, chose not to go into Iraq without UN sanction. Why do you think we should take part in US adventures when we have no forces to do so? They're all busy with peacekeeping activities that the US has consistently avoided for 40 plus years. What would possess you to think Canada should do what GW wants? You know there's a border other than the Mason-Dixon Line?
    Oh and I hear the guys from our PPCLI are actually going to be allowed to accept the Bronze Stars they won in Afghanistan. You remember them? Our sniper teams that helped save an entire US platoon from being wiped out or captured by Taliban forces.
     
  12. Mama06

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    I've seen video clips posted on other websites. A friend of ours from England came across a CD of the Chechen/Islamist and 'rent a muj' and their 'work' that was made in March of 2000. It was easy to tell that the larger portion of the murdering barbarians in that particular piece were NOT Chechen...but Arab, as they were identified and their nationalities published. It was also easy to tell that they were not soldiers by the lack of discipline exhibited, IMO.

    It was definitely a propaganda piece...and definitely a wake up call to any who may think that these things just 'don't really happen'. (Believe it or not, there are some folks who still do not believe the threat is real or that the extremists actually do these things.)

    The thing these folks aren't banking on is that their attempts to frighten us into surrender will most likely, IMHO, have the opposite effect. They really don't know Joe/Josephine Citizen as well as they think.

    All that these videos are doing is providing us with a sort of training manual as to how to deal with them when they try to start something here.

    Be ever vigilant…but do not allow the enemy to take your life while you are still living it.


    On a side note, my husband was working for a hazardous chemical company last year. You probably won’t see this reported on the news; however, there have already been several attempts made by men of “Middle Eastern descent†(according to the company memo) to hijack chemical tankers by gunpoint. It is only a matter of time, IMO, before one succeeds. Please watch yourself on the highways as well.
     
  13. OEF_VET

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    Thanks for jumping on that before I had to Sunray. As a half-breed (1/2 American, 1/2 Canuck), I get a bit upset when people start making disparaging comments about one OR the other.

    Yeah, Canada decided to sit this one out, that's the Canadian governments' perogative. Like Sunray said, they don't exactly have a military the size of ours. What they do have is spread pretty thin with commitments to peacekeeping efforts around the world, including Bosnia and Kosovo, just to name two of them. Let's not forget, they did send troops to help us in Afghanistan. And let me tell you, LTC Stroughen (misspelled I'm sure) and the soldiers of 3rd PPCLI were some outstanding soldiers. They were very disciplined, well-trained, and very well-equipped. I'd go to war with them again any time.

    It's only right that the Canadian governement allow those snipers to accept their Bronze Stars, they earned them. Heck, that young Corporal set a world record with his 2600 meter shot! Not even super-sniper Carlos Hathcock could brag about a shot like that.

    Frank
     
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    Ain't that the truth.

    I almost think we should broadcast this on primtime tv so the entire country can get a good idea of what we're up against.

    Chris
     
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    Mamo06's comments about trucks hauling hazardous materials being hijacked reminds of a recent morning TV news program. Showed a tank car full chlorine, that was part of train, parked on an overpass four blocks from the Capital building in Washington DC.

    The thrust of the program is that we are not serious about terrorist threats because we allow the railroads, at their convenience, to route train loads of hazardous materials through the nation's capital when it could be sent on another route 50 miles away in an area much less sensitive.

    The war on terrorism is in many ways a farce.
     
  16. Cool Hand Luke 22:36

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    Sunray wrote:

    US Forces have done their fair share of peacekeeping over the past 40 years, in places like Western Europe, the Sinai, South Korea, the Balkans, Lebanon, etc...

    The reason why Canada lacks adequate military forces to help in Iraq is bacause the leftist anti-American government in Ottawa has cut back so drasticly and foolishly on defense spending. Today Canada is a Shameless parasite on the USA when it comes to it's national security.


    A little dig at Americans that ought to be beneath you. Or do you believe everything you see on CBC's anti-American comedy shows?
     
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  17. Jack19

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    Sunray, you might want to check your PMs. :D

    But, Cool Hand Luke here does make interesting points.

    Back on topic....

    Is there anyone here who hasn't seen the Daniel Pearl video.....he was a US citizen after all.

    Have the courage? http://download.consumptionjunction.com/multimedia/cj_9833.RAM

    The original video posted here is a relatively old one...try these....beware they are VERY GRAPHIC

    How Islamists treat those suspected of collaborating with Israel: http://www.masada2000.org/kill-collaborator.mpeg

    How Chechan Islamists treat Russians: http://212.150.177.135/islam/russian2.asf

    Islamist Justice: http://www.masada2000.org/impalement.asx
     
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    Unless you want 'the rage', I advise against watching the video. That's was one nasty piece of work.

    Makes you want to set up a guillotine in Mecca. I realize that not all muslims are evil islamist hooligans, but then again, one hand washes the other. There is some serious trouble brewing on the horizon, and a certain religious persuassion should definitely be working at getting their more fanatical fringe under control before a nuclear crusade turns the worlds biggest sand trap into a massive sheet of glass. Of course, that might be a better outcome anyway.

    Rage... subsiding...

    Proper frame of mind... returning...

    Whew, that was a close one. Almost didn't make it back.
     
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    Rage is exactly what we need at the moment.
     
  20. Derek Zeanah

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    <sigh>

    Don't make the mistake of assuming these folks are representative of any particular ethnic or religious group.

    Your rage is welcome; just remember that some of us on your side of the fence worship differently than you do. Don't alienate the wrong folks.

    Now, if you were Catholic, how would you react to the above quote if "Mecca" were replaced with "the Vatican?"
     
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    That tape has got to be one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen and having served in the first Gulf War, I got to see a lot of pretty bad stuff up close. Everyone watch your back at all times and stay safe.
     
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    <Gag Reflex>Oh my! What have we done to cause those young men to be so angry at us. Ill feelings when repressed lead to stomach problems and other medical problems. Perhaps we can resolve our conflict with dialog. Yea, that's the ticket. . . .we'll dialog. </Gag Reflex>

    Will the videos backfire? In the western world. It'll play bigtime in the Arab world.

    Our islamofascist terrormonger friends ought to review US history before adopting some tactics. We've faced an eneny who loved atrocities and the associated shock value. They knew how to fight and die. They willingly went on suicide missions. They willing fought to the last man for their leader. The Japanese fought like nothing we've ever seen before. Know what? We whipped them. It was bloody, cold, calculated, butchershop work but we killed them one at a time. We suffered horendous casualties but they lost. It took a blowtorch and corkscrew to pull them out of their positions, but they died.

    We are not at the mercy of these terrormongers. We can deal with them. I just wonder if our oh so politically correct society will accept the ugliness.
     
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    Btw, the video is Chechnya circa 1996.
     
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    Fat chance of that! The "neutral":rolleyes: media has decided we can't even handle watching the 9/11 footage anymore.

    We've got to get back to the more "important" stuff, like $29.99 DVD players at Wal-Mart and Michael Jackson....:banghead:

    Lord knows we can watch all the war movies we want, but actually fight a war in the "trans-national" era, and out come the giant puppets.....
     
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    Those a$$holes come to the 'Grove, we'll gut 'em like the deer we hunt and use their offal to feed our hogs.
     
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