I know this has probably been hashed around before but I'll post it anyway.When carrying a handgun for self defense I want the cheapest,most reliable pistol for the job.Am I crazy to think this way?Why should I carry a 650.00 Sig when a 350.00 CZ will do the same thing.If a shooting occurs in which I've had to use my handgun...the cops are gonna take it from me.And in this part of the world guns seem to mysteriously disappear if you get my drift.They get lost after the fact or accidently destroyed.So if I'm gonna possibly loose my gun for life I would much rather do without a CZ than a Sig. or decked out 1911.They aren't gonna replace the cost of the weapon anyway.Thoughts?
Isn't Cheaper Sometimes Better??
- Thread starter Maestro
- Start date
- Status
My current carry piece is a police trade-in .357; bought two identical ones a few years back for $190 apiece. I have others like them around for which I paid less; one was $90. I have a SIG 220 in the safe (along with other toys); I shoot the revolvers better anyway.
Your money is better spent on training and ammo. And if you use the gun, for a good attorney to keep you out of further trouble.
Your money is better spent on training and ammo. And if you use the gun, for a good attorney to keep you out of further trouble.
10-Ring
Member
I had this debate a few months ago w/ some friends. The thinking was, why then buy, practice, maybe compete with nicer more expensive guns if you're going to trust you life to a POS (just characterising for effect) for a carry gun? You see I was looking for something "cheaper" that I wouldn't mind beating up & abusing from daily carry when this question was posed to me. I ended up buying a "pre-owned" version of a gun I have that I bought new. Same trigger, same pointing characteristics & same reliability/durability but somehow now worthy of abuse.
PATH
Member
Well I know my S&W revolvers were cheaper because I bought them used. (See S&W Boycott)
A little work and they worked wonderfully. Yes, in some cases cheaper is better.
A little work and they worked wonderfully. Yes, in some cases cheaper is better.
Who ever said that a CZ was less of a gun than the Sig? I carry a Sig, but I consider the CZ to be just as good, dependent upon your needs. The ONLY reason I don't carry a CZ is because of the long double action trigger reach. CZ's are fine guns. No excuses necessary.
Scott13
Member
Just wondering has anyone ever had their gun taken away , by the Police and gotten it back ?
Kahr carrier
Member
My Buddy had his Python taken away from him on a traffic stop,when he went to Court to try to get it back the Judge ordered it destoyed because he said it was a public nusiance isnt life in the Prk grand.
:banghead: 
:banghead: Tamara
Senior Member
Scott13,
Yes. After the motorcycle wreck I had a couple of years back, they took the Glock 29 and the Bisley Vaquero that had been on the back of the bike and the Tomcat that was in my pocket. Never asked to see my permit, which was not on me at the time, only asked me (while I'm lying on the table in the ER with the bone hanging out of my leg) if the guns were stolen. I replied in the negative. (Well, actually, it also involved a lot of screaming and cussing as well as asking the officer if he got a lot of "yes" answers to that question. They hadn't given me any painkillers yet, so I was a little short with the poor guy.)
They gave me a property form for the guns, and my boyfriend went and picked them up after I was out of the hospital (I had to sign a notarized release).
Yes. After the motorcycle wreck I had a couple of years back, they took the Glock 29 and the Bisley Vaquero that had been on the back of the bike and the Tomcat that was in my pocket. Never asked to see my permit, which was not on me at the time, only asked me (while I'm lying on the table in the ER with the bone hanging out of my leg) if the guns were stolen. I replied in the negative. (Well, actually, it also involved a lot of screaming and cussing as well as asking the officer if he got a lot of "yes" answers to that question. They hadn't given me any painkillers yet, so I was a little short with the poor guy.)
They gave me a property form for the guns, and my boyfriend went and picked them up after I was out of the hospital (I had to sign a notarized release).
Ala Dan
Member in memoriam
STOP and THINK-and THEN ASK YOURSELF-
On a routine daily basis, which one of these weapons
do I want to trust my life or the lives of loved one's to?
SIG's "Classic" P-series
or
the CZ line?
Well my friend, one word sums it up for me: RELIABILITY
With that said, I will make my choice the .45 caliber SIG-Sauer P220A!
*FootNote- While the CZ's are outstanding firearms in their
own right; I just feel more comfortable with a firearm that
has proven its-self on more than one occassion, as it saved
my bacon!
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
On a routine daily basis, which one of these weapons
do I want to trust my life or the lives of loved one's to?
SIG's "Classic" P-series
or
the CZ line?
Well my friend, one word sums it up for me: RELIABILITY
With that said, I will make my choice the .45 caliber SIG-Sauer P220A!
*FootNote- While the CZ's are outstanding firearms in their
own right; I just feel more comfortable with a firearm that
has proven its-self on more than one occassion, as it saved
my bacon!
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
hansolo
Member In Memoriam
Trust my life to CZ..Not
Some of you have read of my numerous mechanical problems with the FIRST CZ 75B I bought: fail to feed and eject about one out of 20 rounds -- and my SECOND 75B, a replacement for the first: this one is on its way, as I speak, back for more warranty work: the guy at CZ says, "No, three broken slidestops in six months is not unusual....actually, we're back-ordered on slidestops"! Doesn't say a lot for their quality control.
Would I trust my life to my 46 year-old S&W M/P .38 Special? YES....not one glitch in almost half a century!!!!!!!!
Some of you have read of my numerous mechanical problems with the FIRST CZ 75B I bought: fail to feed and eject about one out of 20 rounds -- and my SECOND 75B, a replacement for the first: this one is on its way, as I speak, back for more warranty work: the guy at CZ says, "No, three broken slidestops in six months is not unusual....actually, we're back-ordered on slidestops"! Doesn't say a lot for their quality control.
Would I trust my life to my 46 year-old S&W M/P .38 Special? YES....not one glitch in almost half a century!!!!!!!!
Porter Rockwell
Member
- Joined
- Dec 30, 2002
- Messages
- 226
What Exactly Is YOUR Life Worth?
I fail to understand the logic of the original poster before the thread disintegrates into SIG vs CZ.
Are you actually saying that the loss of $600.00, $1000.00, is more important that you and yours?? Tell me, do you buy the cheapest fire extinguisher or the best? What about a nice second hand set of brand new Firestones for the family car, fresh off the recalled Fords!??
Now to the CZ vs SIG dicussion, chuckle. Just for grins, who wants to put a wager down on a longivity contest between the aluminum SIG and the steel CZ?
My money is on the CZ, BTW, do a net search on the many, many broken SIGs compared to the extremely low reports of broken CZs.
IMO of course!
I fail to understand the logic of the original poster before the thread disintegrates into SIG vs CZ.
Are you actually saying that the loss of $600.00, $1000.00, is more important that you and yours?? Tell me, do you buy the cheapest fire extinguisher or the best? What about a nice second hand set of brand new Firestones for the family car, fresh off the recalled Fords!??
Now to the CZ vs SIG dicussion, chuckle. Just for grins, who wants to put a wager down on a longivity contest between the aluminum SIG and the steel CZ?
My money is on the CZ, BTW, do a net search on the many, many broken SIGs compared to the extremely low reports of broken CZs.
IMO of course!
I tend to think like you, Ten Bears. I buy the functionality. If the price is lower for the same functionality, that's a better value.
In pistols, my $200 FEG shoots as well as any PPK I've tried.
In rifles, my box-stock Rem700 will shoot MOA on demand. Cost $450. Its not worth another $450 to me to shrink the groups another inch at 200 yards.
I know there are other for whom it IS worth the $$$$ for that extra inch. And I respect that. I'm just not that way right now. Too many kids to raise.
In pistols, my $200 FEG shoots as well as any PPK I've tried.
In rifles, my box-stock Rem700 will shoot MOA on demand. Cost $450. Its not worth another $450 to me to shrink the groups another inch at 200 yards.
I know there are other for whom it IS worth the $$$$ for that extra inch. And I respect that. I'm just not that way right now. Too many kids to raise.
Edward429451
member
Oh yeah. Like pulling teeth though. Details aside, the moral of the story is never plea bargain. (Don't laugh too hard at the SG stocks, my (then) 10 yr old son picked out the finish and we had a nice weekend together finishing them. They've since both been redone).
Attachments
Edward429451
member
sm
member
Reliability is a important component on choice of a CCW. I don't use price as an component. What's a C note or 2 when my life or loved ones may be at stake.I can appreciate getting good value for the money. I mean many new CCW students get a great older K frame like a mod 10 , used for less money--but they are reliable.
I have my criteria, yes I have to buy within a budget, but not primary thought in makng decision.
I have my criteria, yes I have to buy within a budget, but not primary thought in makng decision.
New_comer
Member
Agree...
Some times only... not all times.
I do believe that every one of us tries to find the best gun that budget could allow.
But it follows that once a gun is chosen, we've got to stick and practice with it...
not sometimes...
but always
Rob96
Member
Hey, with a house and a family, you have to find the best for your money. For a 45acp I bought a Ruger P-90T NIB for $325. Picked a factory refurbed G19 for $400. I like utilitarian. As long as it is accurate and reliable.
Let me clarify.
Why should I carry a high dollar firearm for protection when a cheaper one which is just as reliable will do?I mean CZ's,FEG's,certain Taurus semi's,revolvers etc. are just as reliable as Hi-Powers,Sigs,Custom 1911's,Glocks,Beretta's etc. in "MY" book.If I'm gonna loose a firearm after using it I would prefer to do without a CZ as compared to a Sig 226.
I did not say the CZ's were any less pistols than Sigs.
Porter Rockwell,folks each do the best they can with what they can.I would rather sustain the loss of a CZ75 than a Sig226 any day.If you shoot the thing for self-defense it will be taken from your posession in Va.There are instances of the firearm not/never being returned to the original owner.If folks don't mind having their high dollar pistols taken that's fine.Possible monetary loss hits everyone differently.Some will shake off the loss of a higher dollar pistol and just go get another.But some shooters try to maintain a balance between firearms costs and family responsibilities.
Again,if you shoot it in Virginia in self-defense it will be removed from your possesion.You have only the authorities word it will be returned.But that does not guarantee you will get it back.
Why should I carry a high dollar firearm for protection when a cheaper one which is just as reliable will do?I mean CZ's,FEG's,certain Taurus semi's,revolvers etc. are just as reliable as Hi-Powers,Sigs,Custom 1911's,Glocks,Beretta's etc. in "MY" book.If I'm gonna loose a firearm after using it I would prefer to do without a CZ as compared to a Sig 226.
I did not say the CZ's were any less pistols than Sigs.
Porter Rockwell,folks each do the best they can with what they can.I would rather sustain the loss of a CZ75 than a Sig226 any day.If you shoot the thing for self-defense it will be taken from your posession in Va.There are instances of the firearm not/never being returned to the original owner.If folks don't mind having their high dollar pistols taken that's fine.Possible monetary loss hits everyone differently.Some will shake off the loss of a higher dollar pistol and just go get another.But some shooters try to maintain a balance between firearms costs and family responsibilities.
Again,if you shoot it in Virginia in self-defense it will be removed from your possesion.You have only the authorities word it will be returned.But that does not guarantee you will get it back.
Tamara
Senior Member
Bear in mind that the loss of a $1,000 pistol to some will, proportionally, be less significant to some than the loss of a $250 pistol to others.
Tropical Z
Member
Cost is irrelevant IMHO.
My Hi-Point IS reliable.My much vaunted and respected Sistema WASN'T.Reliability is the issue.
My Hi-Point IS reliable.My much vaunted and respected Sistema WASN'T.Reliability is the issue.
Chris Rhines
Member
I just really like CZs. I really don't like Sigs, at least the Classic line.
- Chris
- Chris
I would buy and use what ever I believed to be the most reliable for myself. Spendthriftness doesn't take part in personal survival.
Life or Gun? Life = More important.
Even if I lost the pistola, I'd just go and buy another of the same, it worked well the first time didn't it?
Life or Gun? Life = More important.
Even if I lost the pistola, I'd just go and buy another of the same, it worked well the first time didn't it?
DeltaElite
Member
If you have to use a weapon in self defense, do you really think that the cost of the weapon taken into evidence should be of any consideration?
Just be glad that you are alive to face another day.
In short, get the best weapon you can afford and carry it.
Cheap guns are not the way to go, what is your life worth?
Heck, on duty I carry $2000+ in firearms, that's just three guns.
I do so, because I don't carry junk.
Just be glad that you are alive to face another day.
In short, get the best weapon you can afford and carry it.
Cheap guns are not the way to go, what is your life worth?
Heck, on duty I carry $2000+ in firearms, that's just three guns.
I do so, because I don't carry junk.
I want the gun I can shoot the best and is most reliable in any given scenario regardless of cost. If it saves my life it is worth whatever the cost was even if I don't get it back. Plus it is much funner to train with a good gun then a junk one and that means I train more often and am better at saving my own life.
Sean Smith
Member
- Joined
- Dec 28, 2002
- Messages
- 4,925
I've gotta say these sorts of posts are kind of annoying... implying that people who use guns that cost more than yours are idiots or show-offs or something is pretty ignorant. It's not like everyone is making posts saying that you are an idiot if you only want/can afford/etc. a $300 CZ instead of a $3,000 Ed Brown.
Here is a hint for you: people spend more money on guns to GET BETTER GUNS!
How much better? That depends. Is it worth it? That depends. Is it any of your business why I spent $570 or $2,000 on a gun? No, and frankly I could give a rat's booty what you think about it. So why make a post about it?
Another thought is that if you are more concerned with not having something expensive confiscated than having the best weapon you can get for the GUNFIGHT, I'd suggest your priorities are kind of silly.
Here is a hint for you: people spend more money on guns to GET BETTER GUNS!
How much better? That depends. Is it worth it? That depends. Is it any of your business why I spent $570 or $2,000 on a gun? No, and frankly I could give a rat's booty what you think about it. So why make a post about it?
Another thought is that if you are more concerned with not having something expensive confiscated than having the best weapon you can get for the GUNFIGHT, I'd suggest your priorities are kind of silly.
- Status
Similar threads
