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Isn't This ILLEGAL

Discussion in 'Legal' started by shotgunjoel, Jan 5, 2009.

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  1. shotgunjoel

    shotgunjoel Member

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    I was poking around youtube today and came across this little video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z26ca-Unr-k&feature=channel_page
    Is this not considered a SBR because it is temporary like those rapid fire trigger cranks? Also is it not a forward pistol grip because it is temporary and a magazine? I'm just wondering.
     
  2. Auburn1992

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    IIRC, you are right. You can't add a stock to a handgun AT ALL unless it's registered as an SBR. Same with the foreward grip.

    So unless this guy has it registered I am pretty sure it's illegal.
     
  3. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    It's targeted to law enforcement and their website says all over it that NFA rules apply:
    http://www.turn-keytactical.com/

    So no, it's probably not illegal as it sounds like they know enough to register it.

    But, I will confess your subject was very eye catching with the word "ILLEGAL" in all caps.
     
  4. misANTHrope

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    Illegal? No.

    NFA item? Yes.
     
  5. shotgunjoel

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    misANTHrope, that's what I meant, sorry about leaving that out.
     
  6. Hoppy590

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    well it seems to be the dealer/manufacturer demoing it so its legal for him to own. but yes that would constitute a SBR unless a 16 inch barrel was included
     
  7. Prince Yamato

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    How much is the device?
     
  8. jakk280rem

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    neet toy. if i were at all into the nfa stuff, i might put this on the wish list. although, i'm not to crazy about the idea of using a spare mag as a fore grip.
     
  9. mljdeckard

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    I see little advantage of the idea. Rather than take the time to turn your pistol into a 'carbine', why not just grab your long arm?
     
  10. shotgunjoel

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    mljdeckard, their site says this way you don't need waste money on a carbine. This sounds great so long as you don't care about velocity, range, penetration, and such things.
     
  11. Loomis

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    You might be able to make the argument that the spare mag mounted to the accessory rail is NOT a forward grip, it's a spare mag holder. Kinda like the brass knuckles that have a hook soldered on for use as a belt buckle. It's not brass knuckles, it's a belt buckle.

    I'm not sure I'd try it though...not worth the risk.

    I don't see any argument for the shoulder stock though. Maybe put a belt loop on it and claim it's a holster?

    LOL!
     
  12. mljdeckard

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    Which is great for people who think that spending money for better range, velcity, and penetration is a waste of money and believe that handgun rounds are sufficient for self-defense.
     
  13. UhKlem

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    Compared to a Keltec Sub2000 rifle this is slower to deploy, has a shorter sight radius, poorer sights (not a peep sight), poorer grip and ergonomics, more muzzle blast, more recoil, less muzzle velocity, and requires a $200 tax stamp in states where short barreled rifles are legal.

    If this were practical the HK VP70z would be a more common piece of tactical tupperware carp amongst the 'only ones' for whom NFA restrictions are a minor hassle.
     
  14. X9ballX

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    wow that is a niice toy. i cant seem to fiind one on the net that dosnt go to a red9 or a mauser broomhandle(red9 and broomhandle are pretty much the same gun just diffrent caliber)maybe i'm not looking in the right place. maybe he made it himself. or maybe he bought it before certain laws were passed to keep him from getting that nowdays.

    any coments on getting one?
    i dont plan on getting one i'm just curious
     
  15. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    When part A is matched to part B, temporary or not, you've just "manufactured" an SBR - or so would be the BATFE's (probably winning) argument. Very illegal without proper paperwork / fees.
     
  16. kingpin008

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    X9BallX - There's not one other than that guy's, because he seems to be the manufacturer/developer of the device.

    If you're interested in getting one, the website linked on the youtube video is probably the best place to start.
     
  17. rfurtkamp

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    That's actually fairly neat, tax stamps aside.

    Not that buying tax stamps has ever stopped me from getting fun toys before.
     
  18. PTK

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    I hear that. I stopped caring at NFA item 10 or so... :)
     
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    Looks like the old style SKS folding stock from Tapco.
     
  20. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    Wait a sec....you mean you're "on the grid" and the BATmen haven't come and shot you in your home for no reason in 10 years time? Well, my buddy would never believe you. This is why he won't get NFA items.
     
  21. rfurtkamp

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    They've never even come to the door at 3 am with a riot squad demanding to see tax stamps.

    I think I've had more contact with the state DMV over a car title.

    WTB my very own JBTs.
     
  22. PTK

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    ONCE, and only once, has a single tax stamp been requested by a government official, shortly after getting my first NFA item. Since then, zero requests from anyone about seeing the stamps.

    I've owned NFA items for four years now, and I own quite a few at this point.
     
  23. Gunnerpalace

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    "Ignorance of the law is no defense" - My Father said that, seems relevant for here,

    That being said, I would get one of those, If You could get SBR's here, it is cool.
     
  24. X9ballX

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    sorry i just watched the vid thats all
     
  25. ServiceSoon

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    Of course with the ATF's illogical laws when you register your pistol receiver as an SBR it will forever be an SBR whether it has that attachement on it or not. This means you have to get permission to take it across state lines and state laws differ on NFA weapons.
     
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