Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Israel Trip: Uzi on Full Auto

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by NeverAgain26, Dec 11, 2003.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. NeverAgain26

    NeverAgain26 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2002
    Messages:
    206
    Location:
    Northern New Jersey
    I came to Israel on some business this week and had an opportunity yesterday to try out some Uzis; a mini and a regular sized version. I shot both semi-auto and full-auto.

    The guns are fun to shoot, but more on full-auto than on semi-auto. I liked the mini better than the full size.

    Shooting semi-auto for accuracy at 20 yards, I had difficulty maintaining any consistency. I guess like any gun used for the first time, one has to learn the sights and point of aim.

    Shooting full-auto, I had better results. I was able to put down 15 out of 16 steel targets at 15 yards (ranging in size from 6" plates to 24" tall silhouettes) using only 1 magazine of 25 rounds firing short bursts.

    It is a pretty functional gun but I have to confess, I do not like the sights for accuracy work, not even as close as 15 yards. I was tempted to shoot from the hip on full auto, but I did not want to make an a** out of myself in front of my hosts.

    I found a new holster prototype invented here which would allow the slide to be racked and a round chambered in one swift move on the draw. 1911's could be carried hammer down (no round chambered) and not cocked and locked. DA and DAO guns could be carried hammer down, no round in the chamber and drawn ready for SA trigger work. I think this might be interesting in terms of being ready faster and safer and it will eliminate A.D's in 1911's and DA to SA trigger pull transitioning in DA/DAO models. Thoughts, anyone?

    I am working on bringing this into the U.S. market and hope to present it at the SHOT Show.

    I also found a GunVault type item which will allow a rifle (AR, AK or UZI) to be stored safely with a round chambered and the magazine in the mag well. I doubt it has any private individual significance, but it might be a safe firearm storage system for troops in mess and bivouac who need a temporary way to secure their arms with quick access while eating, sleeping or for longer range vehicular/helicopter transport where there are a lot of troops and arms to account for and secure. LEO's might use it to secure their arms when leaving a vehicle for short periods.

    On a different note, I was a block away from a bombing in Tel Aviv today. It was not a terrorist bombing. It was an attempted hit on an organized crime figure here. The response on the part of the Israeli LEO's was amazing in terms of it's professionalism and thoroughness.

    NA26
     
  2. Andrew Rothman

    Andrew Rothman Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2003
    Messages:
    2,669
    Location:
    MN
    Still sounds like a solution in search of a problem. The "Israeli Technique" has been discussed (and cussed!) pretty widely here already.

    Still, as an American Jew, I love hearing about Yid weaponry. I have always maintained that the whole Woody Allen wimpy Jew stereotype is a Mossad propaganda campaign to hide the fact that beanies or no, we are bad-asses! :D
     
  3. NeverAgain26

    NeverAgain26 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2002
    Messages:
    206
    Location:
    Northern New Jersey
    A lot of people are concerned about carrying cocked and locked. I know it is safe, but there are people who will not carry cocked and locked. Being able to carry in condition 2 and chamber a round/rack the slide on the draw is an advantage. This is not the Israeli slap/rack technique. This is actually faster and easier on the hands.

    If you have DA/SA firearm, transitioning from DA with heavy trigger pull to SA (much lighter pull) is a real bitch and needs a lot of practice. The first shot fired DA also traditionally is not as well aimed due to the sheer effort needed to squeeze off a shot.

    I think the holster would present an ideal solution to these 2 issues.

    NA26
     
  4. Steve Smith

    Steve Smith Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    4,394
    Location:
    Southeastern US
    Is that the big goofy hard holster that holds the gun by the slide? What a POS.
     
  5. NeverAgain26

    NeverAgain26 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2002
    Messages:
    206
    Location:
    Northern New Jersey
    No, it is not. It is the same size as a regular holster (more slim in profile actually). I cannot discuss the retention technique at this point as it is not patented and I cannot divulge the details.

    What big, goofy holster did you see and where (if I may ask)?

    NA26
     
  6. cordex

    cordex Member

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2002
    Messages:
    2,714
    Location:
    Indiana
    I drew up plans for a shoulder holster that operated like this back in high school. Realized I wouldn't want to carry like that so I never tried to build it.
     
  7. Steve Smith

    Steve Smith Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    4,394
    Location:
    Southeastern US
    Shot Show, 2001 or 2002, I've forgotten.
     
  8. matis

    matis Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    384
    Location:
    I used to live in the USA; now I find myself in th
    Mpayne said:
    Still, as an American Jew, I love hearing about Yid weaponry.
    _____________________________________________________


    Me too!


    In the early 70's I thought I was "against war".


    Then some Israeli friends showed me film of a military parade down Dizengoff St. in Tel Aviv.

    Imagine!

    Instead of cowering, here were Jews driving tanks, half-tracks, towing jet fighters, marching with rifles in IDF uniform -- all emblazoned with the Star of David!


    After finishing with the Kleenex, I arose out of my previous condition like Superman out of the phone booth! In a few short years I went from anti- to gun nut.


    I LOVE hearing about and seeing and handling Yid weaponry.


    I understand that the Uzi is now relegated to the Home Guard (mostly older men) and some paratrooper units who need shorter guns.

    Something about 9mm not penetrating vests and flack jackets.


    Is this true, NeverAgain 26?




    matis
     
  9. esheato

    esheato Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2003
    Messages:
    2,784
    Location:
    NoVa
    If I read your post correctly, would this new prototype holster be similar to the Phalanx Lash system?

    esheato...
     
  10. Daniel Watters

    Daniel Watters Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    122
    Location:
    USA
  11. Oleg Volk

    Oleg Volk Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2002
    Messages:
    9,155
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    oleg-uzi-side_s.jpg Uzi is a fun weapon. Grip is important as relaxing on the grip safety stops the gun in mid-burst. Effective range seems to be around 20-30m semi or full, if hits on a galon jug are the test. Single shots can be fires easily in auto mode. Metal stock was surprisingly comfy and functional. More photos from the get-together
     
  12. Jack19

    Jack19 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,064
    Location:
    Eastern CSA
    Israel is a great and beautiful country. I was there earlier this year. "Never Again." Amen.

    I've got a semi-Uzi that I woudn't trade for much of anything. It's amazingly accurate when used as it was intended and one of my favorite weapons. Sadly, I live in a state that prohibits FA and SBR so a barrel shroud makes the US semi version look not so un-natural.

    matis..here ya go.:D:D:D(I was called a "righteous" Christian once, by people I respect, I hope I live up to that.)

    http://isayeret.com/
    http://www.geocities.com/mazanga9/IDF/IDFSnipingSharpshooting.htm
     
  13. BluesBear

    BluesBear member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2003
    Messages:
    7,672
    Location:
    The Great Pacific NorthWet
    Bianchi produced a holster back around 1968 that enabled you to chamber a round one handed in a Colt Government.

    Once you got the hang of it it was suprisingly fast. If you didn't know what it was it was just another holster.
     
  14. matis

    matis Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    384
    Location:
    I used to live in the USA; now I find myself in th
    Jack19 said:
    (I was called a "righteous" Christian once, by people I respect, I hope I live up to that.)
    ___________________________________________________________


    Jack 19,

    When I read about the deeds of righteous Christians, at the risk of their lives and those of their families, I wonder if in their place I would have had such courage and conviction.

    You received high praise, indeed.




    matis
     
  15. NeverAgain26

    NeverAgain26 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2002
    Messages:
    206
    Location:
    Northern New Jersey
    Sorry for the late reply. I was en route when all the above posts were being posted.

    Steve Smith: Thanks for the reply and I will keep my eyes open at this year's SHOT SHow in Vegas for something along these lines.

    matis:I am not sure where the Uzi is prmarily serving, but in my travels, most of the troops I saw had long guns (AR's, maybe some AK's? I wasn't particulary paying close attention). At Guard Posts and Checkpoints I did see more Uzi's.

    esheato: The Phalanx Lash link was most helpful. From the drawings and photos, their product seems a bit over-engineered and bulky. Without seeing a real unit, I cannot tell. The one I saw in Israel was a lot simpler, slimmer in profile.

    Daniel Watters: Thanks for another good link. From what I could tell, the link is probably the most similar to the one I saw in Israel. Again, from the drawings, I believe the one I saw in Israel was a superior design to the one in the link you provided.

    I guess I sould not be surprised that this is out there. Whoever brings the best to market and markets a superior product at an affordable price should do well in this niche market.

    Thanks to all.

    NA26
     
  16. ysr_racer

    ysr_racer Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2003
    Messages:
    475
    Location:
    Happily in So. Cal.
    http://www.thehebrewhammer.com/

    Mordechai Jefferson Carver, a.k.a. The Hebrew Hammer

    What drives ordinary men to greatness? Why are heroes made, not born? What does it take to get a guy into a really pimpy, knee-length black leather coat and a low-riding baby blue Caddy with white fur interior?

    For Mordechai Jefferson Carver, it started when he was the only Jewish boy in school.

    Every December, Mordechai looked on while his gentile peers got pricey presents under brightly-lit trees, while all Mordechai got was a dreidel and their disdain.

    But Carver stayed true to his heritage.

    Today, Mordechai Jefferson Carver is known throughout the world as The Hebrew Hammer, the baddest Heeb this side of Tel Aviv, a stylish strongman, a protector of the innocent, a man's mensch in these troubled times.

    A hero on his hometown Brooklyn streets following a "situation" he "took care of" on the West Bank in the not-too-distant past, the Hammer runs a quiet business as a private investigator – he's a certified circumcised dick – when he's not protecting the traditions of his people from destructive outside forces.

    But still, his mother wishes he'd done more with his life.


    [​IMG]
     
  17. MicroBalrog

    MicroBalrog member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    2,896
    Location:
    The State of Israel - aka Gun Nut Hell
    Where? How? Pray tell.
     
  18. NeverAgain26

    NeverAgain26 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2002
    Messages:
    206
    Location:
    Northern New Jersey
    MicroBalrog: Kibbutz Ayeleth Ha-Shachar in the Galil. They have a Mitvach (Shooting Range) there for public use. When I was there, they had regular and mini Uzis, The Jericho and also a Desert Eagle in 44Mag available for use.

    I asked for a Galil but the one they had was not in service at the time.

    It wasn't cheap, but maybe you can call ahead and see whether you get a better price by bringing your own ammo.

    Nice folks and pretty friendly.

    NA26
     
  19. MicroBalrog

    MicroBalrog member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    2,896
    Location:
    The State of Israel - aka Gun Nut Hell
    And where, pray tell, would I buy 5.56mm legally?:banghead:

    The fact that the guys from Ayelet Hashachar have those "Roc's Teeth" license for all the full-auto guns they have doesn't mean we mere peasants can have them.:banghead:
     
  20. NeverAgain26

    NeverAgain26 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2002
    Messages:
    206
    Location:
    Northern New Jersey
    I'm far from an Uzi expert, but I was under the impression I was shooting 9mm's.

    As far as them having the licenses and you not having the license, this is a shooting range open to the public where you rent a gun and shoot. No permit or license was reqested of me.

    You asked me where and how. You now have that info.

    Wish I could help you get a license, but I would probably want one for myself, first :neener: .

    What are Roc's Teeth licenses?

    NA26
     
  21. MicroBalrog

    MicroBalrog member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    2,896
    Location:
    The State of Israel - aka Gun Nut Hell
    "Roc's tooth" - something very rare.

    I was referring to the 5,56mm Galil.:D

    As for the licenses, getting licensed for a handgun is a feat in itself. Purchasing ammo separately is an option only for legal handgun owners.

    Full-auto weapons (and ANY rifles) is a separate feat.
     
  22. JShirley

    JShirley Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2002
    Messages:
    20,936
    Location:
    Atlanta
    Oleg,

    It might be more accurate to say, "Effective range for me, offhand..." Byron and others can hit torso-sized targets from prone to 200 meters.
     
  23. Ukraine Train

    Ukraine Train Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2003
    Messages:
    1,233
    Location:
    Cleveland
    I'm going to Israel next week. My group will be escorted by an armed medic, maybe he/she will be nice enough to take me shooting hehe.
     
  24. MicroBalrog

    MicroBalrog member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    2,896
    Location:
    The State of Israel - aka Gun Nut Hell
    You could contact me at 03-5080974 or 055-508182 for the first ever Middle-East THR meet-up!
     
  25. Ukraine Train

    Ukraine Train Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2003
    Messages:
    1,233
    Location:
    Cleveland
    MicroBalrog,

    What city are you in? Our group has a pretty set itinerary so I don't know if I'll have enough free time but if I do you just might get a call from me! How is the weather there this time of year? The suggested packing list says to bring a winter coat and here I was expecting to get a tan on the beach haha.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page