Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by paraguay, Oct 9, 2012.
i,ll put Zoli at the top of these list , and then ??
The issue, as with any company, is the guns built to low price points - in order to make those price points, things get cut. Certain companies, like Perazzi, Bertuzzi, Fabbri, among others, only build high-end guns and their prices reflect that.
Companies like Fausti, B Rizzini, Fabarm, etc. build a variety of guns and they have the quality reflected in that manner.
There are two Zolis, and like Rizzini, one is somewhat OK, and the other is a world-class target gun
Guerini is giving them a run for the money.
Piotti and you are in stratosphere on cost.
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Ahaa... for me Zoli is a very very well done shotgun too.....even better than some 682...
I,ll put the high levels at the top, then Zoli, then Berettas 682 series... about Césare Guerini, never shoot or see direct bevor.....
Where to place the Guerinis.. just as desisnterested oppinion... ?? Like 682 and over the 686 ??
And more or less like the 686 , the BRizzinis , and Fabarms ??
Of course , there are a lot of new boss sistem.... speaking about the most commons.....
Now we have boss sistem at B Rizzini, Marocchi , Breda , etc...Sabatti too... but other sabatti guns are very bad..
At the TOP - Fabbri, Bertuzzi, F. Illi Rizzini, Famars, Piotti - these are the $85-250K guns with the engraving by Creative Arts, Fracassi, Perdersoli, etc
High end target guns - Perazzi, Beretta SO, some of the Poli
Next level down (but not necessarily less) - Antonio Zoli, Beretta DT series, certain Fausti, Fabarm - certain ones
Next on down - Angelo Zoli, E Rizzini, FAIR, Marocchi, Basic Beretta 68X series, B Rizzini, basic Fausti models, SIACE, Beretta SxS (silverhawk)
This is MY opinion based on handling most of these and shooting them
I am not getting into the semis or single shots - this is just the O/U and SxS
Down one more
Just only ones,,...Fabarm better than others ??... at the third level ?? or some fabarms ??
Now, ... does we have worst in our list ??
It's all opinions though!
Not quite, although the two Guerini brothers - Georgio & Antonio - worked for their uncle Battista Rizzini.
B. Rizzini has been making shotguns since 1966, C. Guerini for about 10 years. The Guerini guns may look similar to the B. Rizzinis, but they aren't on the inside. As one reviewer said, "Other than the parts having the same names."
Rumor has it the brothers originally spec'd some parts from Fabarms and then actually used the Fabarm equipment at night to have Guerini employees make parts to be assembled and finished later elsewhere. Over the years they've grown and have acquired equipment and facilities, etc.
Nice guns, I think I should buy another one.
The Angelo Zolis are different guns and not on the same level as the Antonios.
Fabbri, Piotti, SO Perazzi's, and several others are vastly superior in workmanship and attention to detail.
Even Fabbri - considered by many as the best of the best in Italy uses modern computer equipment - and was the first to do so years ago
In response to:
personally, I would go for the B Rizzini first as far as O/U guns go, although the new Fabarm semi is garnering a lot of attention
Remember one thing as well, at the top of the list are some fantastic guns, but they are made by small shops, so service may become an issue. Example: The Bertuzzi brothers have retired, so you need to find someone who can work on their guns and MAKE a part if necessary - not always an easy thing to find
For the bulk of us who love the eye candy, but in reality are left financially wanting, your basic Browning, Beretta grade level gun from a good maker will serve us well and be readily fixable. That is not saying that a used Perazzi can't be found. Two friends of mine have recently purchased older used guns for the price of a new Browning/Beretta 68x series gun, while another found a K-80 that was 8 years old and never fired and got it for less than a DT-10 Beretta (and drsmfd - it has the $4300 charcoal case coloring option - only one I have ever seen) - drop- dead gorgeous
Point being of the rambling - keep your eyes open, especially at local clubs - even put up a "Want to Buy" sign so someone retiring or upgrading might see it, and you might be able to find a top-tier used gun for the amount of a lower tier new gun.
I would take a Perazzi that was several years old inn decent shape over a new B. Rizzini just due to balance and handling
Having handled all of them, shot many of them and owned more than a few I agree with much of this but the problem becomes the range of some makers. I don't think the base Famars are on the same level as Fabbri and Bertuzzi and would put them on the Perazzi/Beretta SO level. If I were feeling generous I'd probably lift the Beretta D10 and put it on the same level as Perazzi particularly the EELL version.
The fact is we might need more categories.
Separate names with a comma.