Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by mountain_man, Nov 20, 2022.
mind having one to hunt with.
My buddy and his youngest son hunt
with them successfully.
Buddy has a 7.62X39, and the son
uses a 6.8SPC.
Cousin has a Ruger of whatever their
AR is called, and uses 223 softpoint
ammo the same as he has since the
All the people I know that hunt with
their ARs are successful
20" barrel in a freefloat will be a good starting point. Though a person could use a shorter freefloat tube to move the balance back a bit.
Go to a long-frame, and your options increase with all the 51mm long cased ammo out there. But, most of those wind up a bit front heavy to me.
A person could, possibly, plead a case for say .35rem, but barrels will be as common as the ammo like as not.
I shot a racoon on a tree trunk the other day with the 350 ,loaded with the hornady 170gr interlock, shot through the racoon and blew the top 20ft+/- of tree off, was about 4" in diameter at the point of impact. I guess you could say it's a brush buster lol
straight walled cartridge. Unless you're restricted to the latter, why limit yourself? Some data from Hornady's website:
External ballistics for Hornady's 6.5 Grendel 123 grain SST
External ballistics for Hornady's 350 Legend 170 grain InterLock
Even making allowance for the longer test barrel, the Grendel is going to hit with more energy and less drop from just beyond the muzzle out to a much longer effective range. The 350 Legend is a fine cartridge given its self-imposed limitations (straight wall). But it is limited nonetheless.
Also in my opinion, one shouldn't rely on any cartridge to "bust brush." Take a clear shot or don't take the shot.
ETA: Here's the Hornady 123 grain SST from a 20-inch barrel (thanks to QuickLOAD and JBM Ballistics):
If you subscribe to the rule of 1,000 foot pounds of energy for deer sized game, the Grendel will get it done to 350 yards compared to the Legend’s 150.
And by that I mean basically MPBR - most people don't want to worry about adjusting turrets or holdover so for the average hunter I assume that whatever you can hit with a spot-on hold is optimal range for the cartridge. They can both go a little further if you're willing to account for drop.
I really need to get a barrel, bolt and set of dies from MDWS for the 358 Yeti.
It's really not bad. I was concerned as well, but now after owning one and shooting a couple, all in an AR, they are not bad at all. The reason the 450 and the 350 are so popular is because a lot of states have restrictions for use of only straight walled cartridges in certain areas. Primarily why I own a 450. If you do not have such restrictions I'd say any of the 6.somethings would do the trick. There are plenty of hunting 6.5 Grendels out there. I'd own a Grendel if I could use it everywhere.
Although I am pretty fond of this one, I am considering selling it to get a 45 v-rap or 444 deer slayer from MDWS. I haven't quite convinced myself yet. Brass is easier to make for the yeti, but more bullets availible for the v-rap or 444. The yeti is considerably better in drift and trajectory at like 200+ yards, but the chances of me actually getting a 200 yard shot in the area I hunt are practically nonexistent. Decisions, decisions...
I love big bore performance under 200 yards on game, my 450 bushmaster is a hammer at those distances. I’ve been using the Hornady Black 250gr ammo to get brass on white tail and it’s bang flop.
I’ll be working up a makers 425gr subsonic load for my Ruger GSR to use for next year.
They are not on the website but they both have some discussion on the MDWS forum. They will make either if you email them. The 45 v-rap is a 45 raptor chambered in an AR15, which is just a rimless 460 smith and wesson. Basically a 450 bushmaster on steroids. If I get one I intend to use 300-320 grain WFN cast bullets.
The 444 DS is a 45 raptor case run into a 444 marlin sizing die. That would work well for me because I already have 444 marlin bullets and dies.
Then again I already have a 444 marlin that I like to hunt with so I'm having a hard time coming up with a compelling reason why I also need to own what is essentially a semi auto 444 marlin carbine. My father in law keeps saying he wants to go to texas to hunt pigs, and I feel like that is probably the only opportunity I would actually use the yeti for where I might get to stretch its legs a bit. Deer and bear hunting here is a 75 yard game 95% of the time.
@mountain_man, we want to know what you decide ... and pics, of course.
If you decide to do the 444, we need to do a group buy here on the high road. I'd like one too...
Right now I'm leaning toward selling my 358 yeti and getting a 45 vrap
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