It's coming. Are you ready?

[Monkeyleg]

Those who think that America won't elect a black man are forgetting Colin Powell's flirtation with running for president. His poll numbers were very, very good.

But Obama isn't the one, simply because he has no experience.

As for a woman running and winning, that is also very possible. 52% of the population is female, and there are a lot of women I know who would vote for a female candidate simply because the candidate is female.

Remember, too, that Hillary has probably the best political advisor a candidate could want: her husband.

Given the list of Republican hopefuls, it almost seems like the Republican party has already conceded the 2008 race. Or, more probably, the party has given up any pretense of conservativism, figuring that squishy moderates like McCain or Guiliani are their best bet.

I still have my "Rice '08" sticker on my car, though.

 

[hoji]

Powderman,
You really should check your facts before making incorrect statements as fact.
1986 Machine Gun Ban was Reagan and the 1989 Importation Ban was Bush.
By making statements like this you are doing a disservice to the precepts of truth that we as a community try to adhere to.

 

[tellner]

Monkeyleg, there is a fair number of Presidents who didn't have much experience. Minimus, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Kennedy and Eisenhower all had similarly brief careers in public service before catching the greased pig in the field game of American politics. Maximus and Lyin' Be Johnson were no great shakes even with extensive resumes.

 

[LkWinnipesaukee]

Teddy Kennedy Might run for Pres....:banghead:

 

[Lonestar]

Barak Hussein Obama...Come on, what do you think the Democrats are smoking. The debates would last 2 second. "Mr Obama, I'm a practicing catholic, what religion do you worship?" "No Comment"

The poor guy has 3 strikes against him. He would be the first Black presidential candidate. He is the first Muslim candidate, while we are at war with radical Islam. Finally his middle and last names are pretty close to two of the biggest enemies of the US. And you thought Kerry was a poor choice in 04.

The Republicans are moving closer to center and their prime candidates will be McCain and Rudy. The Democrats need to do the same and maybe to dig up Wesley Clark and sway back Lieberman. Kerry could not beat Bush, and Clinton and Obama will not beat McCain and Rudy.

Either way it going to be a bumpy road for gun owners after 08.

 

[tellner]

Uh, Lonestar, he's not a Muslim. He's a Christian. The middle name comes from his paternal grandfather. And while I may agree with H.L. Mencken when he said "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public" I'm pretty sure that we're smart enough to realize that Barrack Obama isn't related to Saddam Hussein. If we aren't there really isn't any hope for us as a country or a species.

 

[tellner]

LkWinni,

The time for him to do that has passed. The last time it was brought up Senator Kennedy replied that there was no way he would run because "They'd shoot my ass."

 

[Monkeyleg]

tellner, presidential elections tend to favor candidates who have prior executive experience, as in being a governor or at least VP.

FDR, Bush, Carter, Reagan, and Clinton all had that experience.

Bush 41 had the experience of being VP, as did Nixon and LBJ.

Eisenhower had the famous name recognition following WWII.

The only candidate to go directly from the congress to the White House in nearly a century was JFK.

The only candidate who won the presidency without any prior elective experience was Hoover.

There's a pattern.

 

[repo]

Personally I'd like to see Condie Rice as President. I trust a person who gets up at 5am every day to workout

 

[Waitone]

Condi would make a great president . . . . . just as soon as she runs a smashmouth campaign for governor then engage in hand to hand combat with a state legislature for a term or two. Boot camp for a chief executive is learning how to impose your will on unaffiliated, hostile, and arrogant bureaucrats. She is showing a real weakness in that area now that she is running the state department.

 

[Lonestar]

Tellner your sort of right, sort of wrong. Obama as switched back and forth between Islam and Christianity throughout his life. He did go to a Muslim school for at least 2 years, and a Catholic school for 2 years. His Mom is a White catholic from Kansas and his Dad is a Kenyan Muslim, they met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was 6, His parents seperated and his mom remarried. Her new husband was an Indonesian oil company manager, and the new family moved to Jakarta. So Obama went to a Mulsim school in one of the largest Mulsim countries in the world.

Seems odd that someone who has bounce between two religions pushes the fact that he is a catholic when it is politically helpful. If he becomes president and visits the Middle East, will he worship at a mosque?? Will he visit Mecca to get the Saudis support??? Is the US public ready for that???

Politicians at times do things with religion that help them politically. Remember Bill Clinton's getting communion at a Catholic Church. He thought it would drum up Catholic support, without realizing that there are religious steps a catholic person needs to take before receiving communion and as a non-catholic, Christian he has a different set of beliefs that made the whole gesture sacrilegious and disingenuous. If it was politically helpful for Obama to be Muslim, he might at least temporarily flip beliefs.

JFK was an Irish American, yet when visiting Germany he gave the famous line spoken in their native tongue...I am a Berliner...what would Obama, who is already young and inexperienced, do if he was president or VP to stop the war on terror??? Makes you think.


http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/cover031006.htm

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/03/30/obama/index.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14961215/site/newsweek/

 

[GEM]

The famous line from Kennedy announced that he was a jelly doughnut.

It would be like someone from Franfurt announcing he was a Weiner

Or a a president who thinks he is a 'decider'.

 

[Builder]

The last thing this country needs are the Clintons again!

Quote: wooderson
You're kidding, right? Do you learn about all politicians from hit pieces? End Quote}

Actually, a lot of what was in the book is factual, the author did take liberties in some respects, but overall he was attempting to expose her for what she really is…She is no moderate or even close to center…Her marriage to the biggest criminal that walked the corridors of the White House made a mockery of the entire party as well as the entire country…

Never forget that the Clintons are lawyers and really good politicians that not only manipulate the laws but are masters at it…She built her self from the ground up and learned from every mistake she and her idiot husband made while on the climb…

Now, I ask you point blank, is this kind of person we want in the highest elected office in this world? Regardless of her gender her ideology, her platform? Think and re-think and then post…

 

[Builder]

It is what it is...

[Quote: ilcylic]
I find it fantastically depressing that even here, among hardcore gun owners, most people seem to still accept the premise that the right to keep and bear arms is subject to majority opinion and acts of legislation.

I also find it pretty distressing that two years out from the election, the vast majority of y'all are saying, in essence, "Yeah, the Republican candidate will probably suck but I'll vote for him anyway". Instead of simply shrugging and voting for the lesser of two evils, why not make an effort to make sure the guy on the ballot simply isn't evil in the first place?

Normally, I'd expect that role to fall to the Libertarian party, but I would love to be proven wrong. Surely, somewhere within the ranks of the Republican Party, there's someone who doesn't suck? And if not, why are you still voting for these people?
[End Quote]

TRTKABA is indeed subject to opinion and acts of legislation even though it should never be…Because we have politicians that also happen to be lawyers they do and will continue to interpret the laws and more importantly the Constitution…We as American people have very little say in who actually runs for the Presidency since it is a party and money game…The very wealthy offer up what they feel is palatable to the electorate and we have what we have…Crap candidates that have the agendas of those that put them there, the wealthy and the elite…

If gun owners were to come up with an acceptable candidate, that person would have to be Squeaky Clean! And us gun owners would have to foot an enormous bill to keep this person buoyant while they endured the worst onslaught the left could heap on them, in addition to the outrageously priced campaign…

The more plausible thing to do is get educating everyone we can about the dangers of loosing our gun rights and the possible aftermath of what could happen if we are no longer allowed TRTKABA…Civil wars, unchecked criminals, abuses by a government that no longer has to be concerned about citizens taking up arms against it because those very citizens don’t have the tools to do so…

It boils down to the two parties; The United States is a Republic, not a Democracy
Democrats say we are a democracy, we are not, they lean left because they fear a Republic, it requires work and strength to maintain a Republic, something the left is afraid to do

 

[armedpolak]

yea, i'm ready,
AMEX with 15K limit just waiting for that .50BMG ban in FL/US or any other AWB.


EDIT: and my local gun shop has that Berett .50BMG rifle for a bit over 3K, and bunch of AW... and they know me by my first name

 

[Thin Black Line]

Uh, Lonestar, he's not a Muslim. He's a Christian.

There's an old saying at the Unitarian Church about the UCC (where Barak
attends): "Unitarians Considering Christ." This is not a slam against either
and if you ask both UC and UCC ministers/theologians about this saying,
you will find neither are really offended by it.

 

[Lonestar]

TBL...I think the guy is not really religious to begin with, but he has had alot of various religious influences in his life. Is he going to show some loyality to the Pope, is he going to show some loyality to Islam, is he going to show loyality to the head of the UCC, or is he a closet atheist?? Who knows. Honestly even if some of his views were similar to mine, his is too young, too green, I'd give him another 5 to 10 years.

 

[longeyes]

Condi would make a great president . . . . . just as soon as she runs a smashmouth campaign for governor then engage in hand to hand combat with a state legislature for a term or two. Boot camp for a chief executive is learning how to impose your will on unaffiliated, hostile, and arrogant bureaucrats. She is showing a real weakness in that area now that she is running the state department.

But she herself is a bureaucrat par excellence.

 

[longeyes]

I find it fantastically depressing that even here, among hardcore gun owners, most people seem to still accept the premise that the right to keep and bear arms is subject to majority opinion and acts of legislation.

+1

That way lies eternal serfdom.

 

[wooderson]

Actually, a lot of what was in the book is factual, the author did take liberties in some respects, but overall he was attempting to expose her for what she really is…

So it's a hit piece that's 'mostly' factual, but 'liberties were taken' (readutright fictions)... all with the author predisposed to "exposing" the individual in question.

Um, yeah. Why would you read such trash, much less use it to form an opinion on the subject?

 

[Builder]

I suspect anything written that exposes the Clintons...

would be rejected by you as trash...


[Quote wooderson:
So it's a hit piece that's 'mostly' factual, but 'liberties were taken' (read utright fictions)... all with the author predisposed to "exposing" the individual in question.

Um, yeah. Why would you read such trash, much less use it to form an opinion on the subject? End Quote]


Specifically, what are you calling outright fictions? Why would you want to defend either one of the Clintons with the things they did while in office? Have you even read the book? If so, on what exactly do you take issue with…Yes I read a lot, especially about the people that think themselves worthy of the highest office in the world…

Bill and Hillary Clinton have been caught up in numerous lies as well as questionable dealings, why would we want to go through 4-8 years of those clowns? More specifically I ask you how exactly you see gun owners faring well under any Clintonista regime.

Please convince me and other members of this board on how we could benefit under her leadership…

Clinton had the dubious distinction of being one of two Presidents to be impeached…

 

[Wesson Smith]

I'm new here, and I do not wish to overstep my boundaries.

Three soloutions to the 2nd Amendment debate:

1. If you have the means, get a lifetime NRA membership.

2. Check the "receive e-mail updates" thing within the membership signup process. The NRA will "target" you geographically (at your request), and always keep you posted on local, as well as national issues.

3. You have to make your voice heard. Contact your local, state or national legislators. It works. Not always, but it does have an impact. The NRA is very good at providing you with phone/e-mail contact info.

 

[Panthera Tigris]

There is no more racism in America as the mainstream media would have you believe - aside from the systemic, institutionalized variety. There is more black on black racism ("Uncle Tom" hating) than there is white racism against blacks.

If you honestly believe that, I feel sorry for you. That has not been my experience at all, ESPECIALLY from white gun owners. I've seen more racism in the last few years that I've gotten involved in firearms from white gun owners in gun shops and ranges and gun shows than at any other point in my life, and that's one of the main reasons many blacks won't ever join the NRA.

And no, this country is not ready to elect a black man yet. At least not in the Midwest or the South.

 

[evan price]

No, I'm not a racist. But I know a lot of people who are. As a matter of fact I was at a friend's jobsite and we all ate lunch at the tailgates of our trucks, and talk turned to politics. Now these are mostly union contractors so the Democratic vote is somewhat heavy there. Talk was brought up as to who would be running in '08 since nobody looks good in either party.
Hilary & Obama were brought up. One guy takes a sip of coffee and spits it out in the gravel and says, "Ain't no skirt and no N***** gonna tell me what to do."
There were a lot of nods & "Umm-HMM!"s

(apologies for the coarse comment but it was a quote)

So don't think that America is universally ready to elect Hilary/Obama. I can certainly guarantee there are those out there who would never accept that combination for a variety of reasons.

 

[razorburn]

If you honestly believe that, I feel sorry for you. That has not been my experience at all, ESPECIALLY from white gun owners. I've seen more racism in the last few years that I've gotten involved in firearms from white gun owners in gun shops and ranges and gun shows than at any other point in my life, and that's one of the main reasons many blacks won't ever join the NRA.

And no, this country is not ready to elect a black man yet. At least not in the Midwest or the South.

Yep, me too. Something about firearms seems to draw those types out. I used to believe pretty much the same thing as the guy you quoted, living in liberal, minority-heavy urban areas. Seattle, San-Francisco, didn't encounter many racists at all and never really noticed it. Then going into more rural areas, the midwest, and the gun culture, I found racists and racism much more prevalent.