It's coming. Are you ready?

[RealGun]

I can't help wondering how many threads we need to express hand wringing over Democratic candidates for '08. Do we need to do this for the next two years?

It seems to me that the only thing noteworthy would be a Democrat who is demonstrably pro-RKBA and somehow still had a prayer of getting genuine support from the Democratic Party. There would need to be a total displacement of the senior leftists before the Democratic Party had any credibility re support of RKBA in its true, intended form.

What would be more productive in my opinion is discussion of the quest for a pro-RKBA candidate with a real chance of winning. To me, that would be a Republican, and frankly I don't yet see a good GOP candidate who has clearly indicated any intention of running. Personally, I would be most interested in Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina, but discussing that would be another thread. Actually it has already been discussed repeatedly.

I think what we will see is a sort of standing back, while McCain's candle burns in the early going.

 

[DRZinn]

Well, I grew up in the South, and I didn't see much racism. certainly not to he extent popular culture, the media and the left would have us believe.

 

[tellner]

When I was a tadpole I didn't notice water. It was only when I grew legs and hopped up on land that it became apparent.

 

[DRZinn]

Yeah, you're right, I just didn't notice.

 

[xd9fan]

I find it fantastically depressing that even here, among hardcore gun owners, most people seem to still accept the premise that the right to keep and bear arms is subject to majority opinion and acts of legislation.

Individual liberty is so 1700's.... Central planning....now thats progressive!!!

yup We truely in that arkward stage that Claire Wolfe so wonderfully states:

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
by Claire Wolfe.

This stage will last for years.
IMHO It is impossible to de-centralize WashingtonDC or control the size of the Fed Govt in any real serious serious way....it will NEVER HAPPEN.
What is really depressing is that there are not enough citizens that even know about the stage at all. Not even the anti-authority X-ers will change this one.

 

[denfoote]

Billary's gunna run, that's for sure.
Also, I think and agree with several political pundents I've heard, that she is setting up Obama for a big political fall!!
She's a political snake and he's to naive to see what's coming!!

 

[Zero_DgZ]

None of them are on our side. At least the Democrats are up front about their agenda; The Republicans just lie.

 

[RealGun]

None of them are on our side. At least the Democrats are up front about their agenda; The Republicans just lie.

Democrats are NOT up front about their agenda, and there is no basis for referring to all Republicans as liars.

 

[cbsbyte]

It looks like I won't be voting Nov 2008. There is no Republican worth voting for unless one want to further erode our rights. The only Rep I would vote for is one that is completely against the war. There are a few Democrats but they will not make it through the primary. In the end it looks like we all loose.

 

[Autolycus]

CBSByte: Then vote libertarian. This way at least they get more votes and more recognition. And then when they gain enough votes they become a recognized party.

 

[Dionysusigma]

I also find it pretty distressing that two years out from the election, the vast majority of y'all are saying, in essence, "Yeah, the Republican candidate will probably suck but I'll vote for him anyway". Instead of simply shrugging and voting for the lesser of two evils, why not make an effort to make sure the guy on the ballot simply isn't evil in the first place?

Because we have no choice who runs.

 

[Autolycus]

Yes you do. Just got to get up and do something about it.

How about instead of voting Republican you vote Libertarian?

 

[xd9fan]

Yes you do. Just got to get up and do something about it.

How about instead of voting Republican you vote Libertarian?

I dont understand it but for some, this is one of the hardest things to do.
Like domestic abuse, these voters come back for more abuse. I just dont get it.:banghead:

 

[Dionysusigma]

Not in this state. We have a choice of either D or R. No slot for write-in, no areas for third party candidates. Maybe next time I'll vote Democratic just to toss some gasoline on a flame that's already out of control. :banghead:

Good thing about America? Anyone can become the President.
Bad thing about America? Not everyone does.
Worst thing about America? Anyone can become the President.

 

[Deavis]

That said, Barak Obama is black, and this nation is not yet ready to elect a black man yet."

What about a black woman? Say Janice Rogers Brown or Rice? I know quite a few non-urban gun toters that would like to see JRB be somewhere where she can do something good for the country.

 

[DRZinn]

Janice Rogers Brown

I'm in.

 

[gezzer]

Romney

From MA BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cough, choke..........ack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope you are kidding He is as anti-gun as a MA Democrat in fact that is the only thing MA dems and repubs agree on.

 

[lamazza]

SJG, those "mysterious deaths" turned out to be, not to put too fine a point on it, lies.

I'd like to hear more about that.
I looked up every name on that list in the Social Security death index and they were all there.

 

[cbsbyte]

I hope you are kidding He is as anti-gun as a MA Democrat in fact that is the only thing MA dems and repubs agree on.

Actually, there are more pro gun Dems in this state than Republicans. Republicans in this state are of the rich, elitist, blue blood, statist Rockefeller type. Romney is a classic Rockefeller Republican; he is rich, intelligent, charismatic, comes from good stock, and well educated. Romney is not a violent anti like some but he is in favor of very restricted gun ownership. Romney does what is best from Romney. If that means looking progun for the moment to gain votes, so be it. But at heart he is a classic statis who wants to control Government to best suit his needs.

 

[rmmoore]

Hmmm, not ready for a woman or a black man? Well, I would ABSOLUTELY agree we're not ready and pray to GOD we will NEVER be "ready" for Hillary or Obama. As has been mentioned before, how about a black woman? I grew up in the South, don't consider myself a racist, but honestly never thought I'd even consider this. Given the current crop of disgraceful candidates, Condoleeza would get my vote in a heartbeat. She is well educated, seemingly honest and has character that seems to be lacking in most these days. Her experience might be questionable, but let's not kid ourselves here.

What is Obama's experience in Presidential or Congressional affairs, and Hillary? Well, she has all kinds of experience in Presidential affairs. Other than being someone who was along for the 8 year ride, what experience did she have to offer New York as a Senator? Yet, she was elected! What does she offer now? A bunch of trumped up malarkey she's peddling as a "moderate" Democrat? Give me a break .

Our Republican choices? Unfortunately, not very many who are worth very much. Independents? Maybe I'll go there this time. It will a long and pathetic ride to and through 2008. We shall see who rises to the top. Maybe we'll get lucky, but don't count on it .

 

[Erinyes]

As a white, Southern male, I have to say that Janice Rogers Brown or Condoleeza Rice would get my vote in a heartbeat. And the best part would is, I'd actually be voting FOR someone instead of AGAINST someone.

 

[Glockfan.45]

Then vote libertarian. This way at least they get more votes and more recognition. And then when they gain enough votes they become a recognized party.

+1000

Everybody who whines about lack of choice and dammed if you do dammed if you dont canidates has little right to complain as I see it. If you gripe about McCain in October and then pull his lever in November because "at least hes not Clinton" what have you really accomplished? I hate hearing people claim they want to see a Libretarian in office but it would be a waste of a vote :banghead: . If you want to see them in office you have to start voting for them some time. As far as the poor foolish people out there that still think Republicans are a friend to the 2nd WAKE UP! Republican presidents have signed the following laws into effect.

The GCA of 1968

The FOPA of 1986

The import ban of 1989

And remember Bush would have been more than happy to sign a renewed AWB if it made to his desk

Republicans use gun owners like cheap prostitutes every election only to leave us high and dry once we have served our purpose. Democrats are by far more anti gun in policy but at least they spit in our face rather than stab us in the back.

 

[RealGun]

Now we're off topic. I don't see why every attempt to discuss a political party has to become a libertarian rant. Start your own thread.:banghead:

 

[PistolPackin'Papa]

I think folks are ready for Condi and Janice.
I am not slamming anyone, but the reason the libertarians will never get anywhere is that many, many conservatives consider them nothing but disgruntiled Republicans with no morals. Get off the sex, drugs, abortion, and open border tirade, and watch just how fast folks join you.

Condi in 08.

ppp

 

[Brass Fetcher]

And in so doing, basically become a Republican. Great idea. The difference between Republicans and Libertarians is mainly in philosophy, although the issues that both parties support can sometimes look similar in execution of a solution.

But. That is like a person who supports 2A supporting the ACLU, because they are seemingly pro-freedom on the other amendments. Different philosophies, sometimes the same goals.