toivo
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Do you have these graphic violent fantasies often?
I've Lost My Passion For The 2A
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More people die from falling down than die from semi-auto rifles. Way more - about 30,000 a year die in the US from falls. Does this make you lose your passion for bunny slippers and bowling shoes?
Stop believing everything you see on the "news" - they thrive on breathless hyperbole because it generates advertising revenue for their networks. Stop allowing yourself to be manipulated.
Stop believing everything you see on the "news" - they thrive on breathless hyperbole because it generates advertising revenue for their networks. Stop allowing yourself to be manipulated.
DSAPT9
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Well I am sorry that you lost your passion for the 2A but I see you still feel passionate about the First amendment.
I like many do not feel the same as you and I guess I will die fighting to save it from people like you. Many of us swore an oath to protect this amendment as well as the Constitution and all of the bill of rights and some of us have also lost friends and family in doing so.
So I will respect your opinion but I will have to disagree with any part of its implementation.
I am sorry for any loss of life no matter how it happens but man has been killing man since time began and people do not need to use guns to do so.
Oklahoma City bombing http://www.history.com/topics/oklahoma-city-bombing
Bath school disaster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
Boston Marathon bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombing
9/11 attacks http://www.history.com/topics/9-11-attacks
People die every day did you know that there are more deaths cause by Unintentional poisonings than by firearm or auto accidents. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm
There will always be whack jobs out there and taking away my right or even infringing on them will not stop any of them and you are just plain naive if you think otherwise.
Look up:
Jeffrey Dahmer convicted of killing 15 out of 16 murders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer
John Wayne Gacy convicted of 33 murders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gacy
So once again I am sorry that you lost your passion for the 2A but I have not and it seem many other folks on this site have not as well.
By the way did you hear about the latest poll that the NRA is more popular than Obama and Hillary Clinton http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...rack-obama-and-hillary-clinton/?intcmp=hplnws
I like many do not feel the same as you and I guess I will die fighting to save it from people like you. Many of us swore an oath to protect this amendment as well as the Constitution and all of the bill of rights and some of us have also lost friends and family in doing so.
So I will respect your opinion but I will have to disagree with any part of its implementation.
I am sorry for any loss of life no matter how it happens but man has been killing man since time began and people do not need to use guns to do so.
Oklahoma City bombing http://www.history.com/topics/oklahoma-city-bombing
Bath school disaster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
Boston Marathon bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombing
9/11 attacks http://www.history.com/topics/9-11-attacks
People die every day did you know that there are more deaths cause by Unintentional poisonings than by firearm or auto accidents. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm
There will always be whack jobs out there and taking away my right or even infringing on them will not stop any of them and you are just plain naive if you think otherwise.
Look up:
Jeffrey Dahmer convicted of killing 15 out of 16 murders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer
John Wayne Gacy convicted of 33 murders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gacy
So once again I am sorry that you lost your passion for the 2A but I have not and it seem many other folks on this site have not as well.
By the way did you hear about the latest poll that the NRA is more popular than Obama and Hillary Clinton http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...rack-obama-and-hillary-clinton/?intcmp=hplnws
OldMac
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Your heart is absolutely in the right place but your conclusion is wrong. A few people or dozen being slaughtered in a rare bizarre criminal action is far more acceptable than defenseless Jews being melted down en masse. History has proven in just the 20th century, over 262 million people were killed by their own government. By their own government. By their own government that first enacted weapon control in nearly every single case. If you like sensational media, then watch the movie Defiance; not the crappy tv series. The true story shows how hundreds of German Jews did not blindly trust their government and hid with guns in the black forest rather than be segregated into ghettos. The ghettos were later sealed and the defenseless victims murdered by their own government. The rebellious patriots that wrote "shall not be infringed ", had just lived through gun control orders of the king. They were supposed to turn them in. Most did. Thank God a few brave men didn't or we would be speaking that weird English today. Dozens killed makes me cry; millions makes me sick and strengthens my conviction. They wrote it not for the protection from the crazy dude playing doom in dads basement instead of catch with dad in the back yard. They wrote it for the inbred crazy royal class with standing armies that can kill everyone they want for whatever whim. Thank you for showing that you have a heart. Now get your head straight before we have a line on that Democide chart. None of them ever believed it could happen to them.
Your heart is absolutely in the right place but your conclusion is wrong. A few people or dozen being slaughtered in a rare bizarre criminal action is far more acceptable than defenseless Jews being melted down en masse. History has proven in just the 20th century, over 262 million people were killed by their own government. By their own government. By their own government that first enacted weapon control in nearly every single case. If you like sensational media, then watch the movie Defiance; not the crappy tv series. The true story shows how hundreds of German Jews did not blindly trust their government and hid with guns in the black forest rather than be segregated into ghettos. The ghettos were later sealed and the defenseless victims murdered by their own government. The rebellious patriots that wrote "shall not be infringed ", had just lived through gun control orders of the king. They were supposed to turn them in. Most did. Thank God a few brave men didn't or we would be speaking that weird English today. Dozens killed makes me cry; millions makes me sick and strengthens my conviction. They wrote it not for the protection from the crazy dude playing doom in dads basement instead of catch with dad in the back yard. They wrote it for the inbred crazy royal class with standing armies that can kill everyone they want for whatever whim. Thank you for showing that you have a heart. Now get your head straight before we have a line on that Democide chart. None of them ever believed it could happen to them.
It's not a single unpopular opinion, it's the pattern. Why do you insist on being an antagonist? It's one thing to touch a hot iron to test it; it's quite something else to grab it and hold on.
You have the right to express your opinion in all things because brave men and women fought and died for you to be able to do that. That notwithstanding, why would you keep stepping in the same dog mush just because you can? A popular definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over and to keep expecting different results. You mad bro?
Anyway, it was my pleasure to serve and help in my small way to protect your rights, especially your 1st amendment ones.
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Gravedigger56
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Ahh, politics.
That explains it. OP's rant didn't concern the 2A after all, just being a good little party member.
Deanimator
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No, I REFUSE.
USAF_Vet
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I don't own an AR-15 as a hobby. I own to defend the lives of Americans I find important. Namely mine and my family's.
THAT, above all else, is why I own a semi-automatic "assault weapon" death dealing rifle of doom and destruction.
Gun free zones and other arbitrary BS gun laws enable mass shooters more than the availability of guns, lack of mental health screening and whatever other excuse anti's want to spew.
Deanimator
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I just don't see why your irrational feelings and need to control are more important than the rights of Americans.
NO, I REFUSE.
Deanimator
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I'm your huckleberry.
Rent the movie "Michael Collins" and rethink your "Black & Tan" mentality.
USAF_Vet
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I'll sum up my feeling on this with a nice little music video.
Sepultura - Refuse, resist
depicting scenes around the world when people give up their gun rights, or face down an oppressive government.
Sepultura - Refuse, resist
depicting scenes around the world when people give up their gun rights, or face down an oppressive government.
Ironicaintit
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Everybody should exercise their right to self defense, with the most capable tools available.
If the mass majority of Amerians were proficient in the use of arms, crazed mass shooters wouldnt have a chance.
Instead of whining about my rights....exercise yours!
The laws making it difficult to own and operate weapons, along with societys hoplophobic hysteria demonizing a tool, are the greatest enabler of madmen with guns.
If the mass majority of Amerians were proficient in the use of arms, crazed mass shooters wouldnt have a chance.
Instead of whining about my rights....exercise yours!
The laws making it difficult to own and operate weapons, along with societys hoplophobic hysteria demonizing a tool, are the greatest enabler of madmen with guns.
Deanimator
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The other side has two positions on self-defense:
- Completely against it; you're supposed to rely on the fairy tale of police "protection" of individuals
- Supportive... as long as no effective method is used, and the victim stands a substantial risk of being maimed or murdered
OldMac
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Usaf vet: Thanks for the video
This one is also moving if you get it. Everlast Stone in my hand. Look at all the folks in other countries that dont have guns to effectively fight back. They are tossing bottles and stones at tanks rolling over bodies. Might does not make right. Thank God Almighty that the traitorous rebel insurgents that started this country made sure that we wouldn't have to resort to tossing gravel from the driveway at Apache helicopters if some lunatic dictator decides that you are the wrong color or religion. 300 or so years ago in America, the kings government would execute you for practicing catholocism. 60 years ago, they were still persecuting black Americans. It is the uninfringed right to arms, effective arms, that insures our right to be born equal to everyone else, speak our beliefs even when unpopular, and worship or not. Without the 2a, you better hope you are the dictator.
http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A0LEVisVDipWHMAAGfdEDN04;_ylu=X3oDMTBsa3ZzMnBvBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--?p=stone+in+my+hand+everlast&tnr=21&vid=0DF8101EE251CE4F0C730DF8101EE251CE4F0C73&l=198&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DWN.8XtChZ60K9vKZCTIUgZ%252fzg%26pid%3D15.1&sigi=121uoab3j&rurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DNtmemsBdd_c&sigr=11bp6qse9&tt=b&tit=Everlast+%7C+The+Stone+In+My+Hand+%7C+Official+Music+Video+...&sigt=11qc4cgpl&back=http%3A%2F%2Fus.yhs4.search.yahoo.com%2Fyhs%2Fmobile%2Fsearch%3Fp%3DStone%2Bin%2Bmy%2Bhand%2Beverlast%2Bvideo%26hsimp%3Dyhsm-mobile%26hspart%3Dgoodsearch%26fr%3Dyhsm-goodsearch-mobile%26ei%3DUTF-8&sigb=14q22rkop&hspart=goodsearch&hsimp=yhsm-mobile
This one is also moving if you get it. Everlast Stone in my hand. Look at all the folks in other countries that dont have guns to effectively fight back. They are tossing bottles and stones at tanks rolling over bodies. Might does not make right. Thank God Almighty that the traitorous rebel insurgents that started this country made sure that we wouldn't have to resort to tossing gravel from the driveway at Apache helicopters if some lunatic dictator decides that you are the wrong color or religion. 300 or so years ago in America, the kings government would execute you for practicing catholocism. 60 years ago, they were still persecuting black Americans. It is the uninfringed right to arms, effective arms, that insures our right to be born equal to everyone else, speak our beliefs even when unpopular, and worship or not. Without the 2a, you better hope you are the dictator.
http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A0LEVisVDipWHMAAGfdEDN04;_ylu=X3oDMTBsa3ZzMnBvBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--?p=stone+in+my+hand+everlast&tnr=21&vid=0DF8101EE251CE4F0C730DF8101EE251CE4F0C73&l=198&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DWN.8XtChZ60K9vKZCTIUgZ%252fzg%26pid%3D15.1&sigi=121uoab3j&rurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DNtmemsBdd_c&sigr=11bp6qse9&tt=b&tit=Everlast+%7C+The+Stone+In+My+Hand+%7C+Official+Music+Video+...&sigt=11qc4cgpl&back=http%3A%2F%2Fus.yhs4.search.yahoo.com%2Fyhs%2Fmobile%2Fsearch%3Fp%3DStone%2Bin%2Bmy%2Bhand%2Beverlast%2Bvideo%26hsimp%3Dyhsm-mobile%26hspart%3Dgoodsearch%26fr%3Dyhsm-goodsearch-mobile%26ei%3DUTF-8&sigb=14q22rkop&hspart=goodsearch&hsimp=yhsm-mobile
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ljnowell
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My hobbies have never killed anyone. I'm surprised it took you this long to troll it out to this level.
onelastshot
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The last national statistics regarding homicides are figures from 2011. Of the approximate 12,668 homicides committed that year, a rifle was used in 322 of the crimes.
Would someone please explain to me how banning a firearm that's used in less than three percent of all homicides make any impact on the crime rate? The latest info from the Oregon shooting was that while the shooter brought a rifle with him, the firearms used were handguns.
If you want to buy into the liberal hype of "black rifles" crap, it's your personal choice to do so. I however will continue to look at facts.
Lastly, the number of concealed carry handgun permits has skyrocketed since President Obama was first elected, while murder rates have fallen, according to a new report released Wednesday.
Since 2007, the number of concealed handgun permits has soared from 4.6 million to over 12.8 million, and murder rates have fallen from 5.6 killings per 100,000 people to just 4.2, about a 25 percent drop, according to the report from the Crime Prevention Research Center.
You can keep on drinking the liberal kool aide crap about gun violence, I'll continue to support the Second Amendment.
Would someone please explain to me how banning a firearm that's used in less than three percent of all homicides make any impact on the crime rate? The latest info from the Oregon shooting was that while the shooter brought a rifle with him, the firearms used were handguns.
If you want to buy into the liberal hype of "black rifles" crap, it's your personal choice to do so. I however will continue to look at facts.
Lastly, the number of concealed carry handgun permits has skyrocketed since President Obama was first elected, while murder rates have fallen, according to a new report released Wednesday.
Since 2007, the number of concealed handgun permits has soared from 4.6 million to over 12.8 million, and murder rates have fallen from 5.6 killings per 100,000 people to just 4.2, about a 25 percent drop, according to the report from the Crime Prevention Research Center.
You can keep on drinking the liberal kool aide crap about gun violence, I'll continue to support the Second Amendment.
Rocketmedic,
You're a member here so unless you've not read the threads pointing to the published facts from the government about the continuously falling homicide rate in the United States and how the rate here is falling faster than in other countries I am assuming you're reacting the the politicians and popular press depiction of the arguments around "gun control" and jumping to an endpoint conclusion just based on the inflammatory news reporting and political rhetoric. No one, on either side of the argument should base an opinion on firearms on that.
It should motivate us to search for the real sources of information and review them and discuss them and after careful consideration develop an informed opinion after we've done that due diligence because we know that we're being lied to and manipulated by these forces.
The UN, FBI Uniform Crime Report and CDC have issued reports pointing out the homicide rates have and are falling, that the US rate of homicides is falling faster than those in Canada and other "western" countries, that regionally the homicide rates in states with minimal restrictions on gun owners (Maine) have lower rates of homicides than states with very restrictive laws (Massachusetts), that the various extreme "gun control" schemes can not be shown to have any clear impact on homicide rates, that suicide rates can not be clearly reduced with restrictions on firearms owners, that there are anywhere from half a million to 3 million defensive uses of a firearm every year weighed against ~20,000 suicides and ~10,000 murders (a household with a gun is 50 to 150 times as likely to have the gun used to defend a life as being used in a suicide), etc. The real facts are that the proposals to reduce homicides don't address the root cause and don't have beneficial impacts.
It seems you've fallen prey to the controversy and not the facts.
You're a member here so unless you've not read the threads pointing to the published facts from the government about the continuously falling homicide rate in the United States and how the rate here is falling faster than in other countries I am assuming you're reacting the the politicians and popular press depiction of the arguments around "gun control" and jumping to an endpoint conclusion just based on the inflammatory news reporting and political rhetoric. No one, on either side of the argument should base an opinion on firearms on that.
It should motivate us to search for the real sources of information and review them and discuss them and after careful consideration develop an informed opinion after we've done that due diligence because we know that we're being lied to and manipulated by these forces.
The UN, FBI Uniform Crime Report and CDC have issued reports pointing out the homicide rates have and are falling, that the US rate of homicides is falling faster than those in Canada and other "western" countries, that regionally the homicide rates in states with minimal restrictions on gun owners (Maine) have lower rates of homicides than states with very restrictive laws (Massachusetts), that the various extreme "gun control" schemes can not be shown to have any clear impact on homicide rates, that suicide rates can not be clearly reduced with restrictions on firearms owners, that there are anywhere from half a million to 3 million defensive uses of a firearm every year weighed against ~20,000 suicides and ~10,000 murders (a household with a gun is 50 to 150 times as likely to have the gun used to defend a life as being used in a suicide), etc. The real facts are that the proposals to reduce homicides don't address the root cause and don't have beneficial impacts.
It seems you've fallen prey to the controversy and not the facts.
Seriously? I know how to click on hu**ingtonposttoasties. However, I'll play for 2 rounds only...
Everyone turn in your computer, go back to quill & parchment.
Remember; if you lead, someone might follow . There's followers born every minute
This thinking pattern is the reason for my sign. line, below:banghead:. Surrender this, surrender that, it'll be better next year, well...a little more...just ....a.....little........more...
Everyone turn in your computer, go back to quill & parchment.
Remember; if you lead, someone might follow
. There's followers born every minuteThis thinking pattern is the reason for my sign. line, below:banghead:. Surrender this, surrender that, it'll be better next year, well...a little more...just ....a.....little........more...
Rocketmedic
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I suppose I just don't see the need for a gun to be a part of a school packing list or a prerequisite to go out to dinner. And yes- I am more scared of a mass shooting than a random thug mugging me.
Sam1911
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Then you surely must recognize that your fear is irrational, as your chances of being assaulted or killed by an every day run-of-the mill criminal are FAR, FAR higher than even being in the same town as a mass killer, ever in your life.
That's one key to starting to understand the issue better, RM. If you acknowledge that you're afraid of something, and can recognize that the fear you feel is massively out of proportion to the real risk involved, you can work yourself down from that fear which is causing you to feel things and believe and decide things that are not logical.
* though, you may find that when you face the reality of risk, you start to be more concerned over other things that COULD actually happen to you in your lifetime, statistically speaking. Fortunately, there are approachable responses to most of those other threats.
That's one key to starting to understand the issue better, RM. If you acknowledge that you're afraid of something, and can recognize that the fear you feel is massively out of proportion to the real risk involved, you can work yourself down from that fear which is causing you to feel things and believe and decide things that are not logical.
* though, you may find that when you face the reality of risk, you start to be more concerned over other things that COULD actually happen to you in your lifetime, statistically speaking. Fortunately, there are approachable responses to most of those other threats.
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Have you also lost your realization of the facts surrounding gun control?
If you have lost interest in shooting that's fine, but going anti is a whole nother ball game. That is, by the way, how your post reads if you don't already realize it.
"If we would just give up "A" or "B", nobody would miss them, everyone would be safe, and the antis would be satisfied with it and stop their crusade for total gun confiscation".
Nope, doesn't work that way, they'll never stop, and restricting semi auto firearms will not make a difference in crime or mass killings by crazy people.
If you have lost interest in shooting that's fine, but going anti is a whole nother ball game. That is, by the way, how your post reads if you don't already realize it.
"If we would just give up "A" or "B", nobody would miss them, everyone would be safe, and the antis would be satisfied with it and stop their crusade for total gun confiscation".
Nope, doesn't work that way, they'll never stop, and restricting semi auto firearms will not make a difference in crime or mass killings by crazy people.
flphotog
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^^^ THIS.
I'd say more my what I would say would surely get me banned.
chicharrones
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LiveLife
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OP's past posts:
October 22, 2015 - "Should the 2nd Amendment Truly Not Be Infringed?"
May 14, 2014 - "Forum members who support "reasonable gun control"
December 22, 2012 - "The Millennial Point of View"
December 22, 2012 - "Sensible Gun Laws"
Based on what I have read, I am not convinced the OP "lost passion" for 2A. IMHO, perhaps it was already gone.
Like many hobbyists who pursue fishing, golf, etc., the saying of "Worst day fishing is still better than best day at work" rings true for me. I enjoy my hobby of shooting/reloading as it is fun and relaxing for me and my family. For me, passion for 2A and RKBA is preserving my hobby which gives me happiness and joy out of life.
Rocketmedic, like you I spent most of my working decades in health care/related fields and seen people die. It is not pleasant when it happens but death is simply an inevitable part of life as no one will get out of this life alive. I myself have faced death twice and feel I am living on borrowed time. I think death reminds the living to live the life we still have.
For whatever the reason, if you feel you lost the passion for the 2A, that's your choice. We all have that choice. Just because there are countless deaths from car accidents each year doesn't mean I need to think about car accident deaths every time I drive my car. Instead, I focus on the road and traffic. If you got into shooting as a hobby, you can still pursue your hobby without thinking about "gun control" issues. When I go to the range, it's "me" time where I get to de-stress from life's stressors and practice some range drills. You can choose how you approach your hobby.
As for me, I will support the 2A like I support the 1A - absolutely!
October 22, 2015 - "Should the 2nd Amendment Truly Not Be Infringed?"
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=10056207#post10056207Rocketmedic said:
May 14, 2014 - "Forum members who support "reasonable gun control"
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=9474196#post9474196Rocketmedic said:
December 22, 2012 - "The Millennial Point of View"
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8588890#post8588890Rocketmedic said:
December 22, 2012 - "Sensible Gun Laws"
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8588721#post8588721Rocketmedic said:
Based on what I have read, I am not convinced the OP "lost passion" for 2A. IMHO, perhaps it was already gone.
Like many hobbyists who pursue fishing, golf, etc., the saying of "Worst day fishing is still better than best day at work" rings true for me. I enjoy my hobby of shooting/reloading as it is fun and relaxing for me and my family. For me, passion for 2A and RKBA is preserving my hobby which gives me happiness and joy out of life.
Rocketmedic, like you I spent most of my working decades in health care/related fields and seen people die. It is not pleasant when it happens but death is simply an inevitable part of life as no one will get out of this life alive. I myself have faced death twice and feel I am living on borrowed time. I think death reminds the living to live the life we still have.
For whatever the reason, if you feel you lost the passion for the 2A, that's your choice. We all have that choice. Just because there are countless deaths from car accidents each year doesn't mean I need to think about car accident deaths every time I drive my car. Instead, I focus on the road and traffic. If you got into shooting as a hobby, you can still pursue your hobby without thinking about "gun control" issues. When I go to the range, it's "me" time where I get to de-stress from life's stressors and practice some range drills. You can choose how you approach your hobby.
As for me, I will support the 2A like I support the 1A - absolutely!
Devonai
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If you have a Lee-Enfield you'll be fine.
So, you're the expert on other people's self defense needs? Make your choices for you, and I'll make my choices for me. I would never deign to suggest limitations on a complete stranger. Figuring out what other people need to defend themselves is the job of ill-informed politicians who probably never held a gun in their lives.
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