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IWB, tuckable vs OWB

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by P95Carry, Sep 29, 2004.

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  1. P95Carry

    P95Carry Moderator Emeritus

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    Any IWB I have tried is uncomfortable . well for me! I am not over ''upholstered'' (no pun intended) ... and find IWB plain unpleasant, not to mention sweat aspects!.

    My belt slide OWB rig is form hugging .. and is IMO as tight to me as any IWB (no more 'bulge'' factor IMO) ... but, you IWB guys explain to me how the ''tuckable'' scheme works. I mean, you have to have some belt attachment yeah? ... clip or something ... so how in heck does a shirt get tucked in and over the piece?

    IWB - OWB is a bit like the 9mm vs .45acp deal .. in some ways. Far as I am concerned it is ever only what works for you. OWB (or pocket for BUG) is just dandy for me.:)
     
  2. DigMe

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    P95,

    I'd explain it but....I think I just had a little too much tequila and the idea of explaining something isn't appealing to me right now...even this is trying. Maybe tomorrow.

    :neener:

    brad cook
     
  3. P95Carry

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    OK Brad!! I'll give ya 12 hours to ''settle down'' :D
     
  4. Andrew Rothman

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    Essentially, the holster's belt hook is mounted halfway down the holster or so -- so there's some room for the shirt.

    Like this... Michaelangelo I ain't.

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  5. AZ Heat

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    I have yet to find a tuckable holster that actually works the way they say. They are very uncomfortable and bulge terribly.
    I am a big IWB fan (Kydex by Predator). When I can't have IWB, it's pocket or ankle.

    Just my opinion.
     
  6. DigMe

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    Yeah...that.

    brad cook
     
  7. Gary Brommeland

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    Hey Guys!

    I've made something in the neighborhood of 20-25,000 holsters in my life thus far, and I DESPISE the entire tuckable concept.
    In my opinion, a properly designed and constructed IWB has it all over anything "tuckable".
    As far as the comfort issue goes, take a look at my Max-Con V. Most of my customers tell me that it it the most comfortable IWB they have tried.
    If you buy one and it does not work for you, I'll gladly refund your money. Please let me know if I may be of service to you. Thanks!
     
  8. Sylvilagus Aquaticus

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    I own 3 IWB designs for my P229, all from Comp-Tac...the Undercover, which I understand, isn't 'really' available anymore, the Shirt Tucker, which I don't use anymore because the single rear attachment point just doesn't work for me ( I should have bought the Gurkha) , and the C-TAC, which I use all the time, i.e, daily. My C-TAC is comfortable, believe it or not, and it's most importantly hidden.

    www.comp-tac.com

    YMMV. I'm a skinny guy with a long waist.

    Regards,
    Rabbit.
     
  9. P95Carry

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    Matt - many thx for the diagram ... I see what can be done now, not that it appeals!


    Gary - my prob with any IWB is -- sweat on the rig, and ... having the tension of a belt holding a chunk of stuff against me inside the pants .. tho I have a bit more padding with advanced age . I am somewhat ''boney'' .. it is just plumb uncomfortable.

    Now - the OWB ........ to me the ''bulge'' factor is just the same . I mean, the gun and rig have same basic bulk factor wherever they are and by sitting outside of my belt ... minimal pressure on bones and no need for pants to be bigger and belt longer etc.

    I am sure you have totally refined IWB's with your long experience but - doubt I will be converted now!! Will take a peek at the Max-Con you mention.
     
  10. shooter1

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    Matt,
    Excellent illustration! Gonna have to find someone who has one of these things and give it a try. (Before I buy).
    str1
     
  11. DigMe

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    Yes but...some people have to tuck sometimes. To me that statement isn't really even relevant because you buy a tuckable holster for the reason that you have to tuck. If you don't ever have to tuck then you don't buy a tuckable holster. Do you offer a tuckable holster? If not then I guess you'd have a vested interest in making that statement.
    brad cook
     
  12. spacemanspiff

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    i;ve been using a tuckable all week, from High Noon.
    it isnt the most comfortable, nor is it going to be the fastest to draw, but it does keep the weapon on me. it rides really low, and i have enough fatteous maximus for it to sink into to prevent printing. all you can really see is the clip on the belt.

    having an undershirt between the holster and your skin helps keep it dry.
     
  13. Yowza

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    Except, perhaps, that you can't tuck your shirt in over one?

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    Chris, I wear Gary's Max Con V along with his gun belt and mag/flash pouch with no problems. It is as thin as you can get, which means more comfortable, yet strong as heck. An important point is the belt loops are widely spaced apart instead of being stacked on the gun and that also makes it more comfortable.

    As far as the sweat issue, I just can't wear a gun against my skin so I wear a tank top tucked into 5.11 shorts or pants, and a lightweight unbuttoned short-sleeve shirt over it. I have no problems with comfort or sweat at all.
     
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    Hey Don ... :)

    I'll definitely look into the Max-Con but - you have not seen me sweat .... has to be seen to be believed!:p
     
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    I sweat in the shower. I sweat walking to the car in the summer. I sweat walking to the car in the winter. If I type over 15 wpm I sweat. I can rust a Glock.

    I havent had much luck with IWB, either. Maybe I should try a high-end holster, but am concerned that all my sweatage will destroy it.. I desperately wanted the tuckable concept to work because wearing a cover garment in the summer is literally hell, but my experiences havent been good. As gruesome as it sounds I have been reduced to sticking a 642 in the waistband of my undies, pulling up pants and tucking my shirt in. I am pretty much stuck with the 642, and have'nt the courage to try a real gun. My presentaion stroke could be timed with a sun dial and it looks like I am sexually assaulting myself, but it is the best I could come up with. Life would be much easier if I could live with untucked shirts, but it is a dress code violation.
     
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    I agree that with quality hoslters either one adds about the same amount of bulk. For me the IWB just offers better concealment. Your shirt can ride as high as your belt without "flashing" your piece. I carry both IWB and OWB depending on the situation and dress code.

    I have two tuckable holsters, one specifically designed for tuckage and a VM-II with the clips. I've not had much luck with either. To me the gun sticks out like a sore thumb. If I have to tuck my shirt then I go with pocket carry.

    YMMV
     
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    sendec --

    Please try a SmartCarry before you emasculate yourself! :D
     
  19. Gary Brommeland

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    Quote "Yes but...some people have to tuck sometimes. To me that statement isn't really even relevant because you buy a tuckable holster for the reason that you have to tuck. If you don't ever have to tuck then you don't buy a tuckable holster. Do you offer a tuckable holster? If not then I guess you'd have a vested interest in making that statement.
    brad cook"


    Sir,
    I do not hate the "tuckable" concept because I do not offer one. But rather, I do not offer one because I do not believe that is is a sound idea. I own a holster shop - I can make anything for my customers that any of my competitors can produce. I choose not to because I do not feel it is all that great of an idea.

    A properly made pocket holster has it all over a tuckable for casual business attire. A small pistol (like a Kahr PM-9, for example) can be carried totally concealed, yet can be drawn instantly - much faster than fumbling around with your shirt/holster/weapon in a tangled up mess.

    My "vested interest" lies in making sure that my customers have absolutely the best equipment humanly possible. Any assertion to the contrary is not only untrue, but insulting as well.
     
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    I have tried "tuckables" but........

    I go back to the way it was done before those new fangled things were invented..

    Fold the portion of your shirt tail up on the inside where your gun rides, and pull your shirt down over the pistol grip. Tuck the rest of your shirt in.. It will appear that your shirt is tucked in over the gun, but it isn't..


    Pull an equal amount of shirt out on the opposite side to conceal a mag carrier in the same manner, or just to balance out your appearance...


    It looks like your shirt tail has worked out a bit while you were sitting down.

    It's faster to get to than a tuckable too.
     
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    This is exactly what I do with my 4" 1911 in a Milt sparks VM2. IT works great! I tried the clips to make it tuckable and hated it
     
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    If you are worried about sweat with a leather holster then you might inquire about horsehide. Horsehide makes for a much better barrier between the moisture and your gun. Milt Sparks holsters can come in cowhide or horsehide, also Kramers come this way.
     
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    Gary,

    Your opinion on tuckable holsters is just that. An opinion. There are thousands of people who like them and use them effectively and find them to be a perfectly sound idea.

    The post that you made is the kind of stuff I hate to see. Someone who has something to sell coming in and dogging out some type of product and then pushing their own product. That's exactly what took place. Maybe your intention was just to offer up your personal opinion but for people such as yourself who have a product to offer sometimes "the high road" is not posting at all.

    brad cook
     
  24. pax

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    Kydex is impervious to sweat, but if you are not comfortable carrying leather IWB you won't be comfortable carrying kydex IWB.

    If you're carrying IWB, always wear an undershirt. It soaks up sweat, cushions your skin, and is just more comfortable all the way around even when it is hot.

    I like tuckables, and wouldn't take my business to someone who argued with me when I told him what I wanted in a holster. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't send someone else to that holster-maker, if that person happened to want the style of holster which the craftsman chose to believe was best for everyone.

    Pocket holsters are great for pocket guns. If your gun isn't a pocket gun, a pocket holster isn't for you.

    Folding & tucking around the gun when you don't have a tuckable holster sounds really good -- until you try it with any of the normal fabrics I wear. YMMV, but if the shirt tail is very long (I'm short!), if the material is stretchy (love those knits), if any of a dozen other things aren't right, it either doesn't work at all or isn't securely-concealed enough to be trusted. There was a reason those new-fangled things were invented!

    As long as your holster works for you, that's really all that matters. I've never much understood the sheer level of emotion that goes into gear discussions. What do you care what the guy next to you is wearing?

    pax
     
  25. TonyB

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    P95:You carry the SP101 right??Me too..I use a Desantis thumb break and put it BETWEEN my belt and pants...this is the best of both worlds for me..I sweat like Ike Turner at a N.O.W. rally,and the pants and my under shirt act as a barrier,but the belt holds the gun super tight and doesn't move.
    I tried IWB...I guess I'm just too fat for it work.Everytime I sat down the gun started to "pop" out.I also have a box of old holsters like we all do.....:cool:
     
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